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All transwomen are to be moved out of Scottish female prisons today. 🙌🏻

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sohard · 23/06/2026 12:48

https://x.com/forwomenscot/status/2069385340159225981?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

Scotgov will not appeal and the current transgender policy has been withdrawn. At long bloody last!!

For Women Scotland (@ForWomenScot) on X

Scottish Government will not appeal Lady Ross's ruling on prisons.

https://x.com/forwomenscot/status/2069385340159225981?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

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GailBlancheViola · 25/06/2026 13:54

Very true viques.

viques · 25/06/2026 13:37

GailBlancheViola · 24/06/2026 21:01

Thanks for posting that. Excellent article.

If only more people, (male people particularly because for some reason a male voice is seen as the voice osprey reason and considered thought) had been writing articles like this over the last ten or fifteen years and using their articles to shoo the bolting horses back into the stable. Now we have to round the damn horses up again, and some of them have gone feral.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 25/06/2026 13:12

Liberty's senior management team all have their pronouns proudly displayed, but I can't help wondering how many of the "she/her" ones are in fact trans. Certainly at least one trans person has been their deputy chair.

oldtiredcyclist · 25/06/2026 11:21

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 25/06/2026 09:17

Exactly so. We must never, ever forget that back in the 1960s and 70s when all sorts of social changes were being pushed through, many of them making life better, there were other ideas under serious consideration that either did make life worse for many or came perilously close to it.

First example: 'free love' - sex outside marriage no longer regarded as shameful. A good thing on the whole, but it made a lot of men and boys feel even more entitled than they already did to sex from others who were not always willing or able to consent.

Second example: Paedophile Information Exchange being taken very seriously indeed by some progressive organisations run by people so open-minded their brains had fallen out. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26352378

The Paedophile Information Exchange was affiliated to the National Council for Civil Liberties - now Liberty - in the late 1970s and early 1980s. But how did pro-paedophile campaigners operate so openly?
A gay rights conference backs a motion in favour of paedophilia. The story is written up by a national newspaper as "Child-lovers win fight for role in Gay Lib".
It sounds like a nightmarish plotline from dystopian fiction. But this happened in the UK. The conference took place in Sheffield and the newspaper was the Guardian. The year was 1975.

...PIE was formed in 1974. It campaigned for "children's sexuality". It wanted the government to axe or lower the age of consent. It offered support to adults "in legal difficulties concerning sexual acts with consenting 'under age' partners". The real aim was to normalise sex with children.
Journalist Christian Wolmar remembers their tactics. "They didn't emphasise that this was 50-year-old men wanting to have sex with five-year-olds. They presented it as the sexual liberation of children, that children should have the right to sex," he says.

That makes for very grim reading, 1975 was the year I first started work.

Hedgehogforshort · 25/06/2026 09:54

ENGLANDalltheway · 25/06/2026 09:26

The Paedophile Information Exchange was affiliated to the National Council for Civil Liberties - now Liberty - in the late 1970s and early 1980s. But how did pro-paedophile campaigners operate so openly?
A gay rights conference backs a motion in favour of paedophilia. The story is written up by a national newspaper as "Child-lovers win fight for role in Gay Lib".
It sounds like a nightmarish plotline from dystopian fiction. But this happened in the UK. The conference took place in Sheffield and the newspaper was the Guardian. The year was 1975.

...PIE was formed in 1974. It campaigned for "children's sexuality". It wanted the government to axe or lower the age of consent. It offered support to adults "in legal difficulties concerning sexual acts with consenting 'under age' partners". The real aim was to normalise sex with children.
Journalist Christian Wolmar remembers their tactics. "They didn't emphasise that this was 50-year-old men wanting to have sex with five-year-olds. They presented it as the sexual liberation of children, that children should have the right to sex," he says.

Unbelievable, but some people would have minor attracted individuals within the whole LGBTQ+ alphabet soup

I can remember that as an active leftist. And i was gob smacked then.

It was gay men i recall being fooled into believing it was about gay boys who were sexually mature (over 16).

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 25/06/2026 09:30

Yes, always worth asking what's in the +.

ENGLANDalltheway · 25/06/2026 09:26

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 25/06/2026 09:17

Exactly so. We must never, ever forget that back in the 1960s and 70s when all sorts of social changes were being pushed through, many of them making life better, there were other ideas under serious consideration that either did make life worse for many or came perilously close to it.

First example: 'free love' - sex outside marriage no longer regarded as shameful. A good thing on the whole, but it made a lot of men and boys feel even more entitled than they already did to sex from others who were not always willing or able to consent.

Second example: Paedophile Information Exchange being taken very seriously indeed by some progressive organisations run by people so open-minded their brains had fallen out. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26352378

The Paedophile Information Exchange was affiliated to the National Council for Civil Liberties - now Liberty - in the late 1970s and early 1980s. But how did pro-paedophile campaigners operate so openly?
A gay rights conference backs a motion in favour of paedophilia. The story is written up by a national newspaper as "Child-lovers win fight for role in Gay Lib".
It sounds like a nightmarish plotline from dystopian fiction. But this happened in the UK. The conference took place in Sheffield and the newspaper was the Guardian. The year was 1975.

...PIE was formed in 1974. It campaigned for "children's sexuality". It wanted the government to axe or lower the age of consent. It offered support to adults "in legal difficulties concerning sexual acts with consenting 'under age' partners". The real aim was to normalise sex with children.
Journalist Christian Wolmar remembers their tactics. "They didn't emphasise that this was 50-year-old men wanting to have sex with five-year-olds. They presented it as the sexual liberation of children, that children should have the right to sex," he says.

The Paedophile Information Exchange was affiliated to the National Council for Civil Liberties - now Liberty - in the late 1970s and early 1980s. But how did pro-paedophile campaigners operate so openly?
A gay rights conference backs a motion in favour of paedophilia. The story is written up by a national newspaper as "Child-lovers win fight for role in Gay Lib".
It sounds like a nightmarish plotline from dystopian fiction. But this happened in the UK. The conference took place in Sheffield and the newspaper was the Guardian. The year was 1975.

...PIE was formed in 1974. It campaigned for "children's sexuality". It wanted the government to axe or lower the age of consent. It offered support to adults "in legal difficulties concerning sexual acts with consenting 'under age' partners". The real aim was to normalise sex with children.
Journalist Christian Wolmar remembers their tactics. "They didn't emphasise that this was 50-year-old men wanting to have sex with five-year-olds. They presented it as the sexual liberation of children, that children should have the right to sex," he says.

Unbelievable, but some people would have minor attracted individuals within the whole LGBTQ+ alphabet soup

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 25/06/2026 09:18

Heggettypeg · 25/06/2026 00:45

This. There was some blithering idiot on here the other day who thought ( or claimed to think) that we only had separate male and female prisons for reasons of prudery!
Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to lock up male criminals with women is either thick or sick. Or possibly both.

I do love the phrase 'blithering idiot'. Thanks for reminding me of it.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 25/06/2026 09:17

ElenOfTheWays · 25/06/2026 00:05

Not all progress is positive. That's the myth.
Sometimes it's better to go back and try again with a different idea
Or accept that the way it was before was actually better, and was that way for a reason.
And some "progress" is actually a regression.

Try to be a little more flexible in your thinking.

Exactly so. We must never, ever forget that back in the 1960s and 70s when all sorts of social changes were being pushed through, many of them making life better, there were other ideas under serious consideration that either did make life worse for many or came perilously close to it.

First example: 'free love' - sex outside marriage no longer regarded as shameful. A good thing on the whole, but it made a lot of men and boys feel even more entitled than they already did to sex from others who were not always willing or able to consent.

Second example: Paedophile Information Exchange being taken very seriously indeed by some progressive organisations run by people so open-minded their brains had fallen out. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26352378

The Paedophile Information Exchange was affiliated to the National Council for Civil Liberties - now Liberty - in the late 1970s and early 1980s. But how did pro-paedophile campaigners operate so openly?
A gay rights conference backs a motion in favour of paedophilia. The story is written up by a national newspaper as "Child-lovers win fight for role in Gay Lib".
It sounds like a nightmarish plotline from dystopian fiction. But this happened in the UK. The conference took place in Sheffield and the newspaper was the Guardian. The year was 1975.

...PIE was formed in 1974. It campaigned for "children's sexuality". It wanted the government to axe or lower the age of consent. It offered support to adults "in legal difficulties concerning sexual acts with consenting 'under age' partners". The real aim was to normalise sex with children.
Journalist Christian Wolmar remembers their tactics. "They didn't emphasise that this was 50-year-old men wanting to have sex with five-year-olds. They presented it as the sexual liberation of children, that children should have the right to sex," he says.

Wishesandhorses · 25/06/2026 08:32

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 25/06/2026 06:36

I use it and similar put downs, similar to others he's used as well. He's showing his age, he's just another middle aged bloke telling woman what they must accept.

Which is a bit pointless really....

I mean, the law is the law. It's done and dusted, those men are coming out of the women's estate. Ranting changes nothing.

And it's not as if women on a women's rights forum are suddenly going to go 'oh gosh, thank you! I see the light! I do not want any women to have rights to boundaries or safety! I wish to enable men with er, interesting rap sheets to assault, harass and terrify (other) women in state care!' is it?

Do hope the kleenex will hold out.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 25/06/2026 06:36

Waitwhat23 · 24/06/2026 21:28

Ooh, 'pipe down'!

Is that from the chapter titled 'for when those silly bitches just won't shut up'?

We won't wheesht. We're known for it.

Soz.

Dear.

I use it and similar put downs, similar to others he's used as well. He's showing his age, he's just another middle aged bloke telling woman what they must accept.

Heggettypeg · 25/06/2026 00:45

NotBadConsidering · 24/06/2026 11:27

Elizabeth Fry was on the five pound note for years and too many people don’t even know what she did for women, and somehow think women’s prisons are just a whim of an idea that can be reversed on an equal whim.

This. There was some blithering idiot on here the other day who thought ( or claimed to think) that we only had separate male and female prisons for reasons of prudery!
Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to lock up male criminals with women is either thick or sick. Or possibly both.

ElenOfTheWays · 25/06/2026 00:05

MummyWillow1 · 24/06/2026 09:13

So you are celebrating society moving backwards? The comments here are ridiculous.

Have any of you wondered why trans women were moved to women’s prisons in the first place? It wasn’t because people campaigned for it or any ‘trans rights’. It was because the prison guards were sick of having to clean up the mess after they were attacked constantly. All this does is create a bigger problem in the prison population for woefully under staffed and under paid prison guards.

Not all progress is positive. That's the myth.
Sometimes it's better to go back and try again with a different idea
Or accept that the way it was before was actually better, and was that way for a reason.
And some "progress" is actually a regression.

Try to be a little more flexible in your thinking.

BunfightBetty · 24/06/2026 23:24

Thanks for this. Massie nails it again.

How the ruling class don't read this and cringe into their shoes is anybody's guess. But then common sense and decency are in short supply, but egos are surplus.

GreyskySexRealistsky · 24/06/2026 23:14

Seethlaw · 24/06/2026 22:51

Never underestimate the power of a humiliation fetish!

Eeeuuuww! Grubby

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/06/2026 23:12

Seethlaw · 24/06/2026 22:51

Never underestimate the power of a humiliation fetish!

Indeed!

Hedgehogforshort · 24/06/2026 23:07

Well it has kept me entertained in between lying in my grown up paddling pool and sticking my legs in the sun, every now and then.

TheyAreLovelyLovelyPeople · 24/06/2026 22:54

aha I spy a new scolder, hellair you <waves at the Curious person>

Seethlaw · 24/06/2026 22:51

ArabellaScott · 24/06/2026 22:40

Some people might say spending an evening flinging ineffective insults at women on the internet is a wasted evening.

Never underestimate the power of a humiliation fetish!

ArabellaScott · 24/06/2026 22:40

Some people might say spending an evening flinging ineffective insults at women on the internet is a wasted evening.

Waitwhat23 · 24/06/2026 22:22

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Ah, we're onto the next chapter of TBBITTAW, I see!

CuriousQueer · 24/06/2026 22:00

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Waitwhat23 · 24/06/2026 21:28

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Ooh, 'pipe down'!

Is that from the chapter titled 'for when those silly bitches just won't shut up'?

We won't wheesht. We're known for it.

Soz.

Dear.

ArabellaScott · 24/06/2026 21:07

EmpressDomesticatednottamed · 24/06/2026 20:16

Ah, now, does that make you a cross between a dowager duchess and the banshee? How does the frothing fit in?

Well, it doesn't. Hence le deluge. Froth everywhere. Quelle dommage.

GailBlancheViola · 24/06/2026 21:01

Thanks for posting that. Excellent article.

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