All transwomen are to be moved out of Scottish female prisons today. 🙌🏻

What's the purpose of your post?

Even if it is that one person has no right to be in a female single space.

Well I've just read this, and it's as clear as mud. So highly suspicious. This man was a sadistic murderer and under his new, woman's name he had a completely clean criminal record.

Criminals not able to wipe record with gender change, MSPs told - BBC News

They never, ever accept that they've got something wrong, but dig in their heels at whatever cost (to others). The Named Person Scheme, in which every single child in Scotland would have had one person assigned to them, to whom all information about the child would have flowed, was only prevented by a finding by the Supreme Court that it breached the European Convention on Human Rights (right to privacy). I only realised recently that the Scottish Government has gone ahead with that scheme in some parts of Scotland, while stating that it's not obligatory.

On the other hand, her husband might have an interesting new cellmate.

That would have been delicious poetic justice. And I'd like to see her getting her just desserts.

I'm delighted with the news, but FFS, why on EARTH did it take so long and cost so much to get the Scottish government to follow the law and the dictates of common sense?

We have a bad enough set of clowns in Westminster, but the Scottish government are truly abysmal

That would have been ironic, if she had ended up sharing a cell with ol' pink-leggings.

Thank goodness. That’s some very vulnerable women who will now be safer without males in their prisons. And, of course, the prison service must safeguard trans identifying males within the male estate.

Ah, so that means that if Nicola Sturgeon ever gets sent to prison (which isn't as unlikely as it might have seemed a couple of years ago) there will only be women in it.

Struggling with that one too!

I want to know too. Surely a criminal record is a record!

There was a link to a reddit on a different thread. The OP claimed to be a prison officer. He claimed that as soon as a man claimed he was trans he was given his own cell. Even though there were enough of them to share as most of the other lags did. They also got visits from beauticians.

Eta that's a couple of incentives to carry on, there may be more.

Obviously take this with the requisite amount of salt. It's literally the word of some faceless bod (or bot) on the interweb filtered through my imperfect memory.

Hallelujah 🙌 🙏 and praise be to God

Reddit did mention that if transmen went in the women's and were post op, they were more threat to women than transwomen were.

I just couldn't....

I wonder how many of them will magically revert to being men again?

I'm also looking out for the TRA's arguing that male criminals should be housed in the women's estate.

Hopefully since the SCJ they have now changed policy to no men in the women's estate regardless of circumstance.

No Scottish Courts cannot bind the other nations of the UK.

there was a High Court judgement in the English Court where it was ruled that TIM could be accommodated in the female estate.

I would imagine that the FWS ruling at the SC will overide that. It will take the EHRC to enforce the meaning of sex, or a legal challenge to resolve this.

English prison policy is that men can only be placed in women’s estate if they have had genital surgery and weren’t convicted of violence against women.

If they are mostly inside for sexual or violent offences, probably they will now be disowned as inconvenient for the Image.

Fabulous news! Thank you FWS!

Has no TRA been on yet? Must be quite a conundrum for them I guess. Will they be shouting duscrumination now that TW are not seen as women when it comes to being placed in prison? Or will they say all these ones are just pretend trans as seems to be the newest tactic?

It applies to England, and is relevant, but not sure how binding a JR is in general. Perhaps other posters can clarify?

Stupid questions time

• does this ruling apply to England, apparently Wales doesn’t have a women’s prison?
• has England already made women’s prisons single sex?