'I've banned most men from my massage clinic because of their behaviour'

I, like cocobolo, am saying that the attractiveness and number of children someone has given birth to does not make it more or less appropriate to get sexual propositions as a masseuse.

You suggested that she thought it might be acceptable for a man to proposition a masseuse simply because she wasn't considered 'attractive'. She said nothing of the sort. You are trying to make a point about her use of the word 'attractive', but your point is muddled and confused and as such is barking up an entirely different tree.

Then why say she was attractive and a mother if you think that that info is irrelevant to being propositioned inappropriately?

The massage place I go to has a big red notice at the bottom of every page saying 'These treatments are strictly professional and of a non-sexual nature'

Depressing they have to do it.

I see where. @poodlemum01 is coming from. I think I would also try changing how I marketed the business, especially if men are getting the wrong idea.

But TBH I think many Beauticians refuse to treat men.

Are you female?

How did you manage to read that conclusion into it.

Can people not tell the diifference between being aware of what goes on and with affirmation of it as acceptable?

One of my friends is a complementary therapy practitioner offering massage amongst other therapies. Her ads state women only. She works from home and is perfectly entitled to keep herself safe.

Even in the world as it is I don’t assume a massage therapist is anything other than that. I get massages regularly though so maybe that’s the difference. (Mainly Thai massage places because I love Thai combination massages )

Yes!! I think Thai places really suffer from this behaviour. A lot of men making assumptions given the service and the background of many of the women. Vile.

I never would think that - nor would most normal people.

It used to sadden men to see how many of the massage clinics in my old neighbourhood had signs in the window aimed at male clientele stressing that no sexual service are provided and that the police will be notified of any harassment of masseuses. At my main place the owner said it was a constant problem.

So if she was unattractive non-mother it wouldn't be out of order?

The problem is some men. You can call yourself what you like and some men will still be inappropriate. I have worked as an Osteopath for over 25 years, in NHS, private practice and with elite sports. I have degree certificates on the wall, registration certification, panic alarms displayed yet I would guess once every 2 years I experience an ‘incident’ where a male patient will expose his genitals or position his penis against me.

I think poodlemum01 is just being very pragmatic.
I don't agree in theory, and yes this is victim-blaming, but I can understand what she's saying, in the-world-as-it-is, rather than the-world-as-it-should-be.

A friend of mine was training in massage at 18. A male client completely disrobed. Creep.

There's a 'massage parlour' near me, entirely staffed ny women (trafficked?) from one country. The clientele is exclusively male, apart from a female acquaintance who turned up for a back massage and was surprised by the sign saying 'no sex in this room'.

Really? Because I have regular massages and I have never associated the term “massage therapist” with prostitution. I wonder why?

The problem is not massage therapists calling themselves massage therapists. The problem is men.

Ah, but the massage therapists should state very clearly that they are massage therapists. And specify that they don't do 'extras'. And be prepared to put up with men who ignore all of that and make requests/comments anyway. Worth a try, eh lads?!

Obviously the therapists just aren't trying hard enough to keep perverts away, it's their own fault. Have we had NAMALT yet?

Sports massage and beauty therapies need different training from Thai massage. Would you advise a bicycle repair shop to advertise as a motor mechanics to avoid people getting the wrong idea about what bicycle repair means?

The problem is not massage therapists calling themselves massage therapists. The problem is men. And possibly women who aren't massage therapists calling themselves that.

I do think that is rather naive. Unfortunately, massage advertised at street level does tend to have associations with 'extras'.

Yes, all of those Thai masage places are assumed to offer 'extras'. My daughter went into one, just off the street, to request a back and shoulder massage, and the female masseuse looked surprised to see a woman coming in.

Well then you're wrong and need to have a hard look at yourself and your attitudes.

@Supporterofwomensrightsshe runs her own private business and as it involves physical touch and partial nudity it falls under the ‘single-sex’ exemption to the Equality Act 2010. You cannot discriminate on sexual orientation however.
The difficulty for this particular woman is she wants to retain her existing male clients. This is against the ‘single-sex’ model - you can’t have it both ways. So she should say her business is transitioning into a single sex business, so she can retain her clients for the time being, but they should have an end date.

in contrast a male friend of mine was offered ‘ extras’ at a Thai massage , and politely declined ( or so he says )

A very experienced masseuse friend answered the phone to a booking while I was visiting. She went through the offer and finished with, ‘And I don’t do sex!’.

This was pre internet everything, she’d just have had business cards and a landline phone number.