Author/illustrator of 'Grandads Pride' chosen as artist for the Summer Reading Challenge

Wow MNHQ that was a pretty fast deletion for something that was a)absolutely factual and b)focused on safeguarding children. Really???

Exactly. It's all about normalising this stuff. So the child sees an image in a book and then isn't surprised when he sees a man in bondage gear walking down the road. It's all part of the campaign to "queer" society.

It’s easy to not go on a march. It’s not compulsory. Do you take young dc?

Are you not supervising your (presumably young) children's Internet usage then? People go on Pride marches in bondage gear. Are your children shielded from celebrating or even witnessing Pride (which happens in most towns and cities)?

I would be appreciated if you could answer my questions to you specifically, before I answer your general question to everyone this thread. Thanks.

Can I clarify, the majority of people on here believe Harry Woodhouse should not be allowed to write or illustrate any book, event publicity, advertising etc aimed at children ever again?

Well no I don't agree with it being advertised as family friendly if there's nudity, butt plugs etc.

I guess I've only seen the London one which I guess might be more on the tamer side.

And they can't read, either. You know, things like SC rulings and guidance.

The verbal gymnastics of people trying to justify images such as the one being discussed is baffling.

This is what I'm getting at. There was no need at all to include that image. No one benefits from it except people who want to see fetish gear in a children's book. No one would care (or even have known) if that illustration had never been published, except the man who conceived it and drew it.

So who benefits from having it published? The man who drew it. For whatever his reasons were.

Verbal gymnastics indeed.

It's amazing how many TRAs seem to be blind. .
Meanwhile the rest of us HAVE EYES.

Shocking I tell you.

I do - it was AWFUL. I am very much of the view that parents and adults are as much of a target for grooming as the children. That was a great example.

It led to all sorts of proposals on social media that doing things like watching porn with your baby present was ok as they couldn’t understand what was going on. Busy blurring those lines.

How do children benefit from perceiving men in fetish gear as ‘non threatening’?

Can you see any possible issues with teaching children that men wearing fetish gear in public are perfectly harmless?

Do you remember the strip club for mothers and toddlers? Cava Baba rave or something. And The Family Sex Show.

There are large and often uneasy overlaps between ' sex positive' and 'feminism' and 'family'.

Many people, most people, will be unaware of the problems.

There are always people on the look out for ways to keep blurring those boundaries and widening the overlaps.

Always naivety.

Always criticism of women who point out the problems.

At this stage I dont think this triangle will ever change.

One issue here as well is the ‘no debate’ mantra of trans (not all I realise).

The verbal gymnastics of people trying to justify images such as the one being discussed is baffling. All to no offend trans identities. Use of the term gender to circumnavigate’you cannot change sex’. Use of affirming language and quite infantile language to discuss trans healthcare and surgeries. Always ‘top surgery’ or ‘bottom surgery’ never the gruesome reality of a double mastectomy, removal of male genitals etc. This is one social contagion that for me has preyed on the vulnerability of many young people making them feel they ‘belong’ to something which is rainbow colours and safe.

I may be wrong but I am not sure this period will reflect well in history. An interesting thread

Do you know any father who, knowing the illustrations that the book contained, would want to read it to, and explain it to, his three or four year old child? Because children see things, then they ask questions about things they don't understand. And, from my experience, good men will see things for what they are, and would be horrified at having to explain something like that illustration to their child. I've seen it in a male cousin, just newly a father, wanting to protect his baby from everything. I thought he was clueless. Turns out he was not. I think most decent men know exactly what's right or wrong when it comes to children.

Now, do you know any father who would see that illustration and think that was appropriate for children?
If so, do you think that's right?
If not, then why are you excusing the man who imagined the image in the first place, then drew it, then submitted it for publication? For a children's book.

If he could do it again, do you think this man would continue to "imagine" and "draw" illustrations just like that one, for children's books?

Would you be uncomfortable if he were allowed to keep doing so, and then did so?

How many of these kinds of illustrations would he need to draw before you decided you weren't comfortable with them?

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Do you think parents should have a free choice to expose their children to sexualised fetish gear, sex toys and men wearing discernible butt plugs?

Do you think that if Pride chooses to welcome those men, they should simply not advertise as ‘family friendly’?

Have you assumed that there are no naked penises on show at Pride? I have seen photographs of men with their penises out at Pride events. London Pride does have a no nudity rule, I can’t see one for Brighton Pride, but it sells tickets for children of all ages.

I thought it was BDSM. As to dog collar I know it happens at Pride which is why there needs to be pushback by the organisers and LGB people. I support the latter who are challenging Pride in its current incarnation.

But that's exactly what happened to Rachel Rooney. My point is that drawing a grandad in fetish gear hasn't affected his popularity at all, while gender critical women have been "cancelled".

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
― George Orwell, 1984

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I take it this was the inappropriate content for the spellchecker.

I'd agree if he drawn a man leading another man wearing a dog collar.

Unfortunately this happens irl at Pride and despite knowing and welcoming this they advertise it as family friendly. What does that tell you about Pride?

And then we’re ‘surprised’ to learn that of approx 2700 Pride officers (270 Pride marches, 5-10 officers per march - assuming they are all male to be on the safe side), there are 8 convicted as child sex offenders/rapists. Yet many people wave it away and accuse us all of being ‘pearl clutchers’ and ‘anti LGBTQ’.

Yes this