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Author/illustrator of 'Grandads Pride' chosen as artist for the Summer Reading Challenge

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RolledDahl · 21/06/2026 08:37

Anyone here work in a Library?
For those of you who don't, you may know that every summer we promote the Summer Reading Challenge from the Reading Agency. It's a lovely way to encourage children to keep reading over the summer holidays.

This year the Reading Agency have chosen Harry Woodgate as the illustrator - he is the author of the controversial book Grandad's Pride, which included images of fetish wear...many of you may remember the concerns over some of his illustrations.

I shouldn't be surprised, knowing how captured the literary (& library) arena is in general, but it does seem to be a very deliberate decision.
And I'm not entirely convinced that his use of baby blue and pink as predominant background colours in the posters was completely accidental 😒

Author/illustrator of 'Grandads Pride' chosen as artist for the Summer Reading Challenge
Author/illustrator of 'Grandads Pride' chosen as artist for the Summer Reading Challenge
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Grammarnut · 21/06/2026 20:15

Waheymum · 21/06/2026 09:38

All this thread has achieved is to make me want to read the book to my toddler! I'm sure all this stuff just goes over children's heads.

The book in question includes men in fetish gear and women with mastectomy scars (i.e. trans men, TiFs) who are part of the pride parade. There is also an illustration of an attic with some interesting codes, the one that stood out was the word map capitalised - which stands for minor attracted people - as well as several other slightly more subtle red flags. Not for small children because it normalises what is not only not normal but not in the least acceptable in a public setting where there are safeguarding issues.

MyBlueCritic · 21/06/2026 19:56

EasternStandard · 21/06/2026 19:55

Yes I think that about your posts. But it still doesn’t address simple questions.

Okay?

Good for you then?

Off you pop x

MyBlueCritic · 21/06/2026 19:55

Arran2024 · 21/06/2026 19:51

You do know that vulnerable adults and children use changing rooms?

Vulnerable adults include the elderly.

Being elderly does not automatically make someone a "vulnerable adult" in a legal OR a safeguarding sense.

Thank you for proving my point xx

EasternStandard · 21/06/2026 19:55

MyBlueCritic · 21/06/2026 19:53

I have neither the energy nor the inclination to respond to a load of long-exhausted, silly, reductive tropes - with someone who refuses to acknowledge anything beyond the propaganda and misinformation, you've so happily and greedily gobbled down.

No thank you 😂

Yes I think that about your posts. But it still doesn’t address simple questions.

MyBlueCritic · 21/06/2026 19:53

EasternStandard · 21/06/2026 19:51

Yep. If they had an answer to a basic question maybe they’d have a point. But no. How bad can it be for it to crumble so quickly

Adults using dc as part of the ideology doesn’t wash though.

I have neither the energy nor the inclination to respond to a load of long-exhausted, silly, reductive tropes - with someone who refuses to acknowledge anything beyond the propaganda and misinformation, you've so happily and greedily gobbled down.

No thank you 😂

Arran2024 · 21/06/2026 19:51

MyBlueCritic · 21/06/2026 18:57

The term?
Absolutely.

I mean, the amount of people I've witness banging on about safeguarding in adult changing rooms, just leaves me bewildered.

Safeguarding applies to young people and vulnerable adults. Not someone who wants to ban trans people from public lol.

Same as referring to toilets as safe spaces.... Eh????? 😂

You do know that vulnerable adults and children use changing rooms?

Vulnerable adults include the elderly.

EasternStandard · 21/06/2026 19:51

thelongesday · 21/06/2026 19:44

Evidence of both please because I'm struggling to find any.

'I am not entertaining this pathetic attempt at a gotcha' just means you don't have an answer really doesn't it.

Yep. If they had an answer to a basic question maybe they’d have a point. But no. How bad can it be for it to crumble so quickly

Adults using dc as part of the ideology doesn’t wash though.

MyBlueCritic · 21/06/2026 19:50

thelongesday · 21/06/2026 19:44

Evidence of both please because I'm struggling to find any.

'I am not entertaining this pathetic attempt at a gotcha' just means you don't have an answer really doesn't it.

Weird. Because I googled "Where did the term gender ideology come from?" and there it was. So I'm guessing you didn't really struggle you just didn't bother :)

MyBlueCritic · 21/06/2026 19:48

EasternStandard · 21/06/2026 19:38

I thought it might be too hard for you. Quicker with the usual insults than just a clear answer.

Did ye aye? 😂

thelongesday · 21/06/2026 19:44

MyBlueCritic · 21/06/2026 19:18

I actually use the word transphobe, usually. I don't believe there's such a thing as gender critical any more than race critical. But manners cost nothing :)

What I've said about the Vatican is verifiable fact. They're also responsible for the term 'same sex attracted'.

Evidence of both please because I'm struggling to find any.

'I am not entertaining this pathetic attempt at a gotcha' just means you don't have an answer really doesn't it.

IsThisTheReaLife · 21/06/2026 19:42

There are some lovely toddler books that describe different families, with out the use of bondage.

This one is great.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Family-Book-Todd-Parr/dp/0316070408

My challenge is if you are putting adult images in books, who is the real audience?

I am not sure this illistrator ahould be 'cancelled', but he should have a good hard think.

Amazon

Amazon

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Family-Book-Todd-Parr/dp/0316070408?tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-womens-rights-5545035-5545035-authorillustrator-of-grandads-pride-chosen-as-artist-for-the-summer-reading-challenge

EasternStandard · 21/06/2026 19:38

SideboobToYouToo · 21/06/2026 19:36

Crikey, I got deleted and assuming it's because I used the word rooming, with a g in front.
WTF?

Hmm I wonder why

EasternStandard · 21/06/2026 19:38

MyBlueCritic · 21/06/2026 19:34

Nor am I entertaining this GCSE level reverse psychology 😂

Enjoy your Sunday eve x

I thought it might be too hard for you. Quicker with the usual insults than just a clear answer.

SideboobToYouToo · 21/06/2026 19:36

Crikey, I got deleted and assuming it's because I used the word rooming, with a g in front.
WTF?

MyBlueCritic · 21/06/2026 19:34

EasternStandard · 21/06/2026 19:30

If you’re happy to call women ‘transphobes’ as is usually thrown out how can you distinguish between situations?

Either men and women can be put together or not

Obviously it’s too hard to answer

Nor am I entertaining this GCSE level reverse psychology 😂

Enjoy your Sunday eve x

EasternStandard · 21/06/2026 19:30

MyBlueCritic · 21/06/2026 19:25

I am not entertaining this pathetic attempt at a gotcha, sorry x

If you’re happy to call women ‘transphobes’ as is usually thrown out how can you distinguish between situations?

Either men and women can be put together or not

Obviously it’s too hard to answer

MyBlueCritic · 21/06/2026 19:26

Shedmistress · 21/06/2026 19:25

Nobody is 'banned' from public spaces.

The deliberate framing of this as men being victims because women say 'no' is what is turning normies into TERFs.

So crack on.

Notice the part where I say "want to"? 😂

MyBlueCritic · 21/06/2026 19:25

EasternStandard · 21/06/2026 19:20

Ok so if you use that term are ok with mixed sex prison spaces for example?

And could you say whether you believe people can change sex

I am not entertaining this pathetic attempt at a gotcha, sorry x

Shedmistress · 21/06/2026 19:25

MyBlueCritic · 21/06/2026 18:57

The term?
Absolutely.

I mean, the amount of people I've witness banging on about safeguarding in adult changing rooms, just leaves me bewildered.

Safeguarding applies to young people and vulnerable adults. Not someone who wants to ban trans people from public lol.

Same as referring to toilets as safe spaces.... Eh????? 😂

Nobody is 'banned' from public spaces.

The deliberate framing of this as men being victims because women say 'no' is what is turning normies into TERFs.

So crack on.

EasternStandard · 21/06/2026 19:20

MyBlueCritic · 21/06/2026 19:18

I actually use the word transphobe, usually. I don't believe there's such a thing as gender critical any more than race critical. But manners cost nothing :)

What I've said about the Vatican is verifiable fact. They're also responsible for the term 'same sex attracted'.

Ok so if you use that term are ok with mixed sex prison spaces for example?

And could you say whether you believe people can change sex

AngleofRepose · 21/06/2026 19:18

Imnobody4 · 21/06/2026 18:51

For the record as an ex-children's librarian, I wouldn't have stocked the book except possibly in the Parents' Collection.

I blame the editor for not cautioning him on suitability for this age group.

I'm also conscious of the lack of stories showing lesbian and gay households or characters. It's best done with subtlety.
[Just tried my spellcheck again - it's homophobic - doesn't like lesbian and gay]

Well, at least we got some discussion in before the derailers arrived. Thanks for answering my questions, and sorry I've been a bit prickly (I'm not very well, and it's a very sore subject for me). I'm glad there are still librarians out there who are giving this serious thought, not just knee jerk reactions.

MyBlueCritic · 21/06/2026 19:18

EasternStandard · 21/06/2026 19:10

You what now

If you use the term ‘GCs’ for other women, what do you believe?

I actually use the word transphobe, usually. I don't believe there's such a thing as gender critical any more than race critical. But manners cost nothing :)

What I've said about the Vatican is verifiable fact. They're also responsible for the term 'same sex attracted'.

EasternStandard · 21/06/2026 19:10

MyBlueCritic · 21/06/2026 19:03

Gender ideology is an invention of the Catholic Church/The Vatican. It's not a real thing. Logically, how can it be?

The term was coined in the late 90s and it was a direct attempt to thwart the progress not only of LGBT+ rights, but also of feminism.

That's why it makes me chuckle to see people who claim to be feminists use the term. Talk about propping up the patriarchy 😭

You what now

If you use the term ‘GCs’ for other women, what do you believe?

Waheymum · 21/06/2026 19:09

EasternStandard · 21/06/2026 16:44

It’s easy to not go on a march. It’s not compulsory. Do you take young dc?

Yes! I want them to learn to be inclusive of minorities. I'm fairness, we usually watch the march from a distance in a cafe and then go to the quieter bits of the pride festival but that's purely due to loud music and navigating crowds with young kids. I'm heterosexual and cisgender but have LGBT+ friends and family, and pride is fun 😊

NecklessMumster · 21/06/2026 19:09

Thank you for raising this, I am a volunteer for the summer reading challenge and am interested to know this, we were shown the new illustrations etc in training recently. What I am wary of is the data collection, we are told to ask if the child is male or female or identifies as 'something else'. This is for 0 to 11 year olds. The parent has to give the details as under 13 yrs not allowed to give consent for data yet still supposed to ask. Last year I just put the obvious answers down but another volunteer got a talking to for not taking it seriously ( think one of the other volunteers reported him)

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