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Theotheruser · 2026-06-20T13:11:14+00:00

You can support transgender rights or not but the law isn’t itself politics. Transgender women will not be prosecuted in the use of women’s single sex facilities in public in the standard use the facilities was built for. A standard use is: - A transgender woman goes into the women’s toilet facilities in a cubicle for the purposes of relieving bodily fluids. - A transgender woman goes into the women’s changing facilities in a cubicle for the purposes of removing clothing for leisure activities. - A transgender woman goes into the women’s toilet facilities to protect the transgender women of being attacked or sexually assaulted. A transgender woman in the standard uses of the women’s facilities are not exposing the users of the single sex facilities. A transgender woman in the standard uses of the women’s facilities are not exposing child users in the single sex facilities. A child user using single sex women’s facilities can’t deny other women public access of the facilities the child user believes are transgender. With official documentation of the new sex will be difficult to disprove the claim of the transgender women being the male sex. No harassment or sexual offences can be found against the transgender woman in the standard use of the women’s facilities with official documentation of the new sex. A woman in the women’s single sex facility can be prosecuted for an offence and or removed if the woman is abusing or harassing the other user of being transgender without proof. A woman recording and sharing publicly the other user without proof of being transgender can prosecuted. The Supreme Court ruling or EHRC guidance has not changed the law to prosecute transgender women in women’s single sex spaces. Transgender women have history of official records to support beyond a reasonable doubt the new gender identity. Have protection of gender discrimination. Prosecution of transgender women is not going to work in the standard uses of the women’s facilities. A woman can complain to management but unless management decides to take action to resolve the issue no action can be taken against the other user.

Soontobe60 · 20/06/2026 17:47

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 15:06

The offences of voyeurism and or indecent exposure under the Sexual Offences Act 2003 doesn’t discriminate sex.

Any man or woman entering a women’s space is at risk of prosecution for voyeurism or potentially indecent exposure.

If I, my daughters or my husband come across any man entering women’s spaces, we will be reporting it to the space owner to get them removed and banned and calling the police.

Unless you’ve got proof to prove the person is transgender then it is unlikely you will get the person removed. You will be removed from the situation causing a nuisance and harassment of space owner customers.

A transgender woman having a pee in the toilet cubicle in the women’s single sex will not be prosecuted by the police or CPS.

A transgender woman will continue to use single sex spaces. There is no law against it. Transgender people have spent years transitioning and why stop now?

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A man who breaks the law by using single sex female spaces is showing us who he is. A woman-hating predator with absolutely no boundaries in which to practice his kink,

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 20/06/2026 17:45

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 17:40

/TransgenderUK and Feminism here are echo chambers. I use women’s spaces as I was born female but I do see both sides of the issue. The issue is transgender women are not going away and will use women’s spaces and women are not going to be prosecuting transgender women. It takes courage to prosecute and it is unsafe. Cancel culture is alive.

It is easier to not notice a transgender woman in the women’s space and go on with your life.

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How do all the recent court cases square with that. Sandie Peggie, the Darlington nurses etc.

And that's before the law was clarified by FWS. If women were taking their workplaces to court before that, they're only going to feel more able to now they know they can win.

Taztoy · 20/06/2026 17:43

I’ll tell you what takes fucking courage to prosecute. A fucking bastard rape so violent I can’t even describe it here. It takes fucking courage to go through with that.

I did that.

Bloody right I’ll take on some transgender identifying man who thinks the law doesn’t apply to him.

Taztoy · 20/06/2026 17:42

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 17:40

/TransgenderUK and Feminism here are echo chambers. I use women’s spaces as I was born female but I do see both sides of the issue. The issue is transgender women are not going away and will use women’s spaces and women are not going to be prosecuting transgender women. It takes courage to prosecute and it is unsafe. Cancel culture is alive.

It is easier to not notice a transgender woman in the women’s space and go on with your life.

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Why can’t these trans individuals use a fourth space?

Wishesandhorses · 20/06/2026 17:41

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 17:22

It will not be harassment. You will have to prove the person is transgender.

Transgender women have been transitioning for years and transgender women have got use to using women’s spaces.

Transgender women on medication will be threatened with violence going in the men’s spaces.

Transgender women will use women’s spaces for their lives. Transgender women will not care about being prosecuted. It is persecution in the public eye.

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What a lot of hyperbolic drama.

The guidance, the SCJ, the prisons case yesterday all repeatedly mentions the protections and accommodations for these men as a group, about the care and sensitivity involved, and that while they cannot use the women's space, because their needs and wishes cannot trump those needs and actual rights of women, additional mixed sex spaces must be provided.

Spaces in which there will be plenty of women such as yourself, who are fine and happy in mixed sex spaces (currently, for all women this could change any day).

There's no question of them being 'forced' into men's spaces. Or incidentally them even having to suffer what women who can't use spaces with those men have had to, which is to deal with the fear and threat or leave the space and go without: I didn't hear you complaining or minding about that? Odd that you mind when it might theoretically and dramatically affect a man, but you don't care that it has seriously and harmfully affected many women, and that's only if you go by the cases that ended in court with a conviction.

Stop the dramatics, and address the real situation.

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Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 17:40

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 20/06/2026 17:24

Read the room. The world is not at all on your side.

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/TransgenderUK and Feminism here are echo chambers. I use women’s spaces as I was born female but I do see both sides of the issue. The issue is transgender women are not going away and will use women’s spaces and women are not going to be prosecuting transgender women. It takes courage to prosecute and it is unsafe. Cancel culture is alive.

It is easier to not notice a transgender woman in the women’s space and go on with your life.

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ElenOfTheWays · 20/06/2026 17:39

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 17:04

I doubt staff or management will police single sex spaces. Policies for shoplifting for staff is don’t tackle or stop. Staff will not stop transgender women.

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Staff not tackling a shoplifter are not breaking the law.
Staff refusing to uphold a single sex space are
HTH

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2026 17:39

A good example of another area where men will be prevented is prisons, which hopefully none of us will ever need to worry about first hand, but I’m very glad the law has been laid down clearly yesterday for those vulnerable women who it does affect. The men in women’s prisons will need to be moved. Yes the Scottish government may waste further taxpayer cash on digging their heels in, and they will lose, and go on setting precedents that will benefit women’s rights, not TRA goals. The party’s over.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2026 17:34

What does “the law isn’t itself politics” even mean?

Taztoy · 20/06/2026 17:33

Wishesandhorses · 20/06/2026 17:32

I'd also add, OP : women's single sex spaces being protected isn't merely because a few middle class women got bored one day and decided to annoy men with trans identities. Nor were the courts - upto and including the Supreme Court - merely messing around for funsies in expensive cases that took years in process.

If men do not respect women's need for single sex spaces then there are many women who cannot use those women's spaces, and there are no alternatives for them.

To let men crack on with breaking the law means actively excluding and discriminating against women, many of whom are excluded due to protected characteristics. This is obviously not ok, is it? Article 8 rights belong to them too.

Unless of course you're into the racism, xenophobia and religious intolerance of believing that women from varied cultures and faiths are lesser because of it and should not have the same rights as others, or that women harmed by violence, trauma and disability are also lesser and shouldn't have equality. It's a bit grim, but if Farage and Trump are your thing then you do you. But by law, those women have Article 8 rights too, and it won't end well in court. Even if a political lunatic fringe manage to successfully mess up the Equality Act, it still won't work.

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Yip. I’ve posted about my experience. And I’m not even allowed to describe it in detail as it’s too upsetting for others to read.

Wishesandhorses · 20/06/2026 17:32

I'd also add, OP : women's single sex spaces being protected isn't merely because a few middle class women got bored one day and decided to annoy men with trans identities. Nor were the courts - upto and including the Supreme Court - merely messing around for funsies in expensive cases that took years in process.

If men do not respect women's need for single sex spaces then there are many women who cannot use those women's spaces, and there are no alternatives for them.

To let men crack on with breaking the law means actively excluding and discriminating against women, many of whom are excluded due to protected characteristics. This is obviously not ok, is it? Article 8 rights belong to them too.

Unless of course you're into the racism, xenophobia and religious intolerance of believing that women from varied cultures and faiths are lesser because of it and should not have the same rights as others, or that women harmed by violence, trauma and disability are also lesser and shouldn't have equality. It's a bit grim, but if Farage and Trump are your thing then you do you. But by law, those women have Article 8 rights too, and it won't end well in court. Even if a political lunatic fringe manage to successfully mess up the Equality Act, it still won't work.

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 20/06/2026 17:32

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 20/06/2026 17:03

You know what? It really doesn't matter, does it? I don't think it's going to affect "our fight" one way or the other. Nor is focusing on minutiae. It was just something I noticed, and I've never once heard a native-born Brit use either term.

I'm just wondering when the OP will provide evidence for his many confident assertions, but, going by his last response, there isn't going to be any forthcoming. I'm definitely not surprised.

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80s born UK Brit here, and we've always used poo. Was wee in our house, but plenty of my friends were using pee when I was a kid, so I don't think it's an Americanisation.

And no, it's entirely irrelevant to the thread, but it's significantly more interesting than whatever the fuck OP is going for with this thread!

Taztoy · 20/06/2026 17:29

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2026 17:29

Also I do wonder about the type of person who gets a kick out of that kind of thing.

Well, quite.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2026 17:29

Also I do wonder about the type of person who gets a kick out of that kind of thing.

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/06/2026 17:28

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 17:22

It will not be harassment. You will have to prove the person is transgender.

Transgender women have been transitioning for years and transgender women have got use to using women’s spaces.

Transgender women on medication will be threatened with violence going in the men’s spaces.

Transgender women will use women’s spaces for their lives. Transgender women will not care about being prosecuted. It is persecution in the public eye.

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Well, they will have to get used to otherwise. They have been mislead, and at the expense of women and girls generally. If you are in a workplace then you will most certainly know who the trans identified employees/men are.

Any man who persistently violates the rules is by definition guilty of harassment. How these men have the nerve to say they have empathy or fellow feeling with women takes some nerve. It is all "me, me, me". Joss Prior, for example, is always photographing himself in women's facilities as if he is some kind of revolutionary hero who doesn't give a fuck.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2026 17:28

Wishesandhorses · 20/06/2026 17:28

They're going to have to, or women will just be constantly taking them to court and they won't have a leg to stand on. Their insurers won't be impressed either. It won't as a policy get past legal advice.

Your approach here OP seems to be 'abandon hope women, men will do what they want to you and no one cares'.

It's a bit of a spiteful and heavily misogynist line to bring to a women's rights forum, and it's a forlorn hope at best.

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Yep. We see you.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2026 17:28

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/06/2026 17:24

They will if enough women complain about men persistently breaching the boundaries, especially in workplaces where the same men repeatedly do this.
Most workplaces will install a single occupancy 'gender neutral' facility - so there will be absolutely no excuse.

Venues that take no measures to provide compliant facilities will also be subject to negative and unwanted attention at the very least.

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Exactly. There are a number of places that this “ill do what the fuck I want, fuck women and their privacy and dignity” simply isn’t going to fly, because employers have a duty of care towards women, as much as any other protected group.

Wishesandhorses · 20/06/2026 17:28

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 17:04

I doubt staff or management will police single sex spaces. Policies for shoplifting for staff is don’t tackle or stop. Staff will not stop transgender women.

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They're going to have to, or women will just be constantly taking them to court and they won't have a leg to stand on. Their insurers won't be impressed either. It won't as a policy get past legal advice.

Your approach here OP seems to be 'abandon hope women, men will do what they want to you and no one cares'.

It's a bit of a spiteful and heavily misogynist line to bring to a women's rights forum, and it's a forlorn hope at best.

Taztoy · 20/06/2026 17:27

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 17:22

It will not be harassment. You will have to prove the person is transgender.

Transgender women have been transitioning for years and transgender women have got use to using women’s spaces.

Transgender women on medication will be threatened with violence going in the men’s spaces.

Transgender women will use women’s spaces for their lives. Transgender women will not care about being prosecuted. It is persecution in the public eye.

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You have it a bit arse about face.

I won’t have to prove anything. The trans identifying man will have to prove he is biologically female. Cis woman, as it were.

it’s very unfortunate that these men feel that other men are a risk to them. Why is that women’s problem to solve?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2026 17:26

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 17:22

It will not be harassment. You will have to prove the person is transgender.

Transgender women have been transitioning for years and transgender women have got use to using women’s spaces.

Transgender women on medication will be threatened with violence going in the men’s spaces.

Transgender women will use women’s spaces for their lives. Transgender women will not care about being prosecuted. It is persecution in the public eye.

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Women will object to men using their spaces. Every time there is a poll, people have even less patience for their entitled nonsense. Women can take legal action against service providers and insist they make it crystal clear that so called “transgender women” are not permitted to use women’s spaces.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 20/06/2026 17:25

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 20/06/2026 17:03

You know what? It really doesn't matter, does it? I don't think it's going to affect "our fight" one way or the other. Nor is focusing on minutiae. It was just something I noticed, and I've never once heard a native-born Brit use either term.

I'm just wondering when the OP will provide evidence for his many confident assertions, but, going by his last response, there isn't going to be any forthcoming. I'm definitely not surprised.

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I've never once heard a native-born Brit use either term.

I'm UK born & bred & I'm astonished that you have never heard one of us using the terms having a pee or having a poo. We used those terms all the time with our kids when they were tiny.

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/06/2026 17:24

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 17:04

I doubt staff or management will police single sex spaces. Policies for shoplifting for staff is don’t tackle or stop. Staff will not stop transgender women.

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They will if enough women complain about men persistently breaching the boundaries, especially in workplaces where the same men repeatedly do this.
Most workplaces will install a single occupancy 'gender neutral' facility - so there will be absolutely no excuse.

Venues that take no measures to provide compliant facilities will also be subject to negative and unwanted attention at the very least.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 20/06/2026 17:24

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 17:22

It will not be harassment. You will have to prove the person is transgender.

Transgender women have been transitioning for years and transgender women have got use to using women’s spaces.

Transgender women on medication will be threatened with violence going in the men’s spaces.

Transgender women will use women’s spaces for their lives. Transgender women will not care about being prosecuted. It is persecution in the public eye.

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Read the room. The world is not at all on your side.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2026 17:22

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/06/2026 17:20

Individuals who persistently flout the rules, knowing full well that they are doing this, can also have action taken against them for sexual harrassment.

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Exactly, and the more these men write how they don’t give a fuck about women, the more it looks more like harassment and creating a hostile environment when they invade our spaces. So carry on lads, it’s useful.

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Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 17:22

Taztoy · 20/06/2026 17:13

If the same man goes in twice to a single sex space where I am, that will be harassment. Because be assured, I’ll tell him he’s not welcome.

Can you explain to me why men dont just obey the law?

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It will not be harassment. You will have to prove the person is transgender.

Transgender women have been transitioning for years and transgender women have got use to using women’s spaces.

Transgender women on medication will be threatened with violence going in the men’s spaces.

Transgender women will use women’s spaces for their lives. Transgender women will not care about being prosecuted. It is persecution in the public eye.

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