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Transgender women will not be prosecuted in the use of women’s single sex facilities

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Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 14:11

You can support transgender rights or not but the law isn’t itself politics. Transgender women will not be prosecuted in the use of women’s single sex facilities in public in the standard use the facilities was built for.

A standard use is:

  • A transgender woman goes into the women’s toilet facilities in a cubicle for the purposes of relieving bodily fluids.
  • A transgender woman goes into the women’s changing facilities in a cubicle for the purposes of removing clothing for leisure activities.
  • A transgender woman goes into the women’s toilet facilities to protect the transgender women of being attacked or sexually assaulted.

A transgender woman in the standard uses of the women’s facilities are not exposing the users of the single sex facilities.

A transgender woman in the standard uses of the women’s facilities are not exposing child users in the single sex facilities.

A child user using single sex women’s facilities can’t deny other women public access of the facilities the child user believes are transgender.

With official documentation of the new sex will be difficult to disprove the claim of the transgender women being the male sex.

No harassment or sexual offences can be found against the transgender woman in the standard use of the women’s facilities with official documentation of the new sex.

A woman in the women’s single sex facility can be prosecuted for an offence and or removed if the woman is abusing or harassing the other user of being transgender without proof.

A woman recording and sharing publicly the other user without proof of being transgender can prosecuted.

The Supreme Court ruling or EHRC guidance has not changed the law to prosecute transgender women in women’s single sex spaces.

Transgender women have history of official records to support beyond a reasonable doubt the new gender identity. Have protection of gender discrimination.

Prosecution of transgender women is not going to work in the standard uses of the women’s facilities.

A woman can complain to management but unless management decides to take action to resolve the issue no action can be taken against the other user.

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Taztoy · 20/06/2026 19:42

Boiledbeetle · 20/06/2026 19:41

But they do... The gents. The risk assessment was done by an idiot. If the men at your place of work would not be safe for another man to pee next to then that needs sorting out by management. The answer is not to say Gary can use the disabled or the womens.

Also. If these men you work with are so dangerous, they shouldn’t be working with women at all surely?

OneDarkDeer · 20/06/2026 19:41

Taztoy · 20/06/2026 19:36

Not for me. I can’t cope with a man on the other side of a door. And trans identifying men still sound like men.

What do you mean sound like men?

Boiledbeetle · 20/06/2026 19:41

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 18:46

A risk assessment was carried out and the men’s is not 💯 safe for transgender women of risk of harm.

For insurance purposes, disabled or women’s toilets are the toilets the transgender women can use. If the disabled toilet is out of order the transgender women can use the women’s toilets. The workplace must provide facilities.

But they do... The gents. The risk assessment was done by an idiot. If the men at your place of work would not be safe for another man to pee next to then that needs sorting out by management. The answer is not to say Gary can use the disabled or the womens.

GriseldaandMike · 20/06/2026 19:39

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 19:29

I can’t say. The manager told the women in the break room to decide if a transgender woman can use the toilet or not. We know the person for 5 years and non of the women had issues with the person and respected us. We accepted.

Have you let the SC court know that some women at one work place have had a quick vote and decided it OK for a male person to use the female single sex provision so they need to alter their ruling?

Why does your company continue to employ men they regard as so unsafe another male can't be alone in a room with them?

Boiledbeetle · 20/06/2026 19:38

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 18:39

Transgender people have gender reassignment and discrimination rights and human rights to dignity and respect in the workplace.

And none of that means men can use the women's toilets.

Boiledbeetle · 20/06/2026 19:37

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 18:33

I work with a transgender woman and they use the disabled toilets as the women space is in their words “private and sacred area to do your business”.

Unless you also work with a bunch of incredibly violent men who need security to go to the loo with them to ensure they don't randomly chin a guy for not washing his hands, I'm sure the men at your place of work would be happy to prove they are trans allies and offer to accompany the man you work with to the gents as he's obviously so scared of the likes of Dave in accounts.

But unless he is actually disabled he should stay the fuck out of that toilet as well.

Taztoy · 20/06/2026 19:36

OneDarkDeer · 20/06/2026 19:34

For everyone

Not for me. I can’t cope with a man on the other side of a door. And trans identifying men still sound like men.

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 19:36

Heggettypeg · 20/06/2026 19:32

And if any of the women had had issues and had dared to say so, how would that have been received?

The manager is a woman and she would have back us up if we said no.

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Shortshriftandlethal · 20/06/2026 19:36

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 19:29

I can’t say. The manager told the women in the break room to decide if a transgender woman can use the toilet or not. We know the person for 5 years and non of the women had issues with the person and respected us. We accepted.

I think you must be in the U.S? We don't use the word 'break room' in the U.K.

The arguments and the accompanying actions that coincide with the preservation of sex based protections are already far more advanced in the U.K than in the U.S.

murasaki · 20/06/2026 19:34

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But it does cause discomfort to the people who legally should be there. Many people have told you this.

DramaAndBullshit · 20/06/2026 19:34

CorvusPurpureus · 20/06/2026 14:20

See, it’s the ‘relieving bodily fluids’ that we don’t like. Well, not just that, obviously, but some of you lads seem to like relieving different fluids from the actual women using the toilet.

That TiM blatantly masturbating in the cubicle in a women’s changing room was the first thing that sprung to my mind too.

What’s the point of laws if they won’t be enforced?

OneDarkDeer · 20/06/2026 19:34

Taztoy · 20/06/2026 19:33

Discomfort for who?

For everyone

CityonFire · 20/06/2026 19:34

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 19:29

I can’t say. The manager told the women in the break room to decide if a transgender woman can use the toilet or not. We know the person for 5 years and non of the women had issues with the person and respected us. We accepted.

You can’t say because it’s bullshit. There is male provision available for the transwoman so they should not be in the ladies, it’s that simple.

No one can be guaranteed to be 100 percent safe anywhere.

Taztoy · 20/06/2026 19:33

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Discomfort for who?

OneDarkDeer · 20/06/2026 19:32

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Heggettypeg · 20/06/2026 19:32

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 19:29

I can’t say. The manager told the women in the break room to decide if a transgender woman can use the toilet or not. We know the person for 5 years and non of the women had issues with the person and respected us. We accepted.

And if any of the women had had issues and had dared to say so, how would that have been received?

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/06/2026 19:32

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 17:58

We need to be honest. I have a daughter to support and I need my job to pay the bills and I can’t afford to do that if I start policing the women’s spaces.

Transgender women have won. Prosecuting will not happen and that why I wrote the post. It’s all talk. It will not happen. It takes courage and money and with the cost of living crisis I don’t want to lose my job or house.

Sorry to burst that bubble, but the argument has already been won; and even if you don't have the time or bandwidth to pursue it further, there are plenty of committed people who are - along with a purpose built legal and campaign structure to facilitate it.

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 20/06/2026 19:32

This thread is gold! So much material, it's like it's Christmas 😁

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/06/2026 19:31

You sound well aware that this man is not a woman op, as does your manager, and everyone else. Funny that.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 20/06/2026 19:31

MarieDeGournay · 20/06/2026 18:21

You way you describe transwomen, they come across very badly:
Not only do they not respect the law, they clearly don't respect women, and now you say they also don't respect disabled people?
If what you say is true, that's despicable!

It will be the disabled toilets business will use as third and fourth spaces. The toilet will be clogged or dirty so it will be bad for disabled people.

Is this user also accusing trans people of being unable to leave the toilet in an acceptable state? I’m very confused.

Taztoy · 20/06/2026 19:30

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 19:29

I can’t say. The manager told the women in the break room to decide if a transgender woman can use the toilet or not. We know the person for 5 years and non of the women had issues with the person and respected us. We accepted.

Im not sure that your manager should have done that given the imbalance of power. I do hope you are in a Union.

Boiledbeetle · 20/06/2026 19:30

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 18:04

Transgender people have come out of the closet and won’t be going back in.

We need a truce of sorts.

Nope. No truce.

The men just need to go back in the gents where they belong.

murasaki · 20/06/2026 19:30

Anyone who is so keen to transgress both the law, and the rights of women, whether for themselves or by proxy , probably needs their hard drive checked.

Theotheruser · 20/06/2026 19:29

CityonFire · 20/06/2026 19:24

But why not? What was the actual safety issue? How is a man peeing with other men at risk but women peeing with men not?

I can’t say. The manager told the women in the break room to decide if a transgender woman can use the toilet or not. We know the person for 5 years and non of the women had issues with the person and respected us. We accepted.

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murasaki · 20/06/2026 19:28

The law can't guarantee 100% safety for anyone.

They can take their chances in the men's. Most men just want to get and out and not even look at anyone, according to DP.

Admit, they're there in the women's for passing validation, and bonus points if it's inconsenting women.

We see it.