Transgender women will not be prosecuted in the use of women’s single sex facilities

Just don’t say ‘bundle’ 3 times.

You realise your employers flawed risk assessment doesn’t change UK law don’t you? 🤦‍♀️

Did they do a risk assessment for women if they allowed the TW aka male to use the female toilet?

Did they do equality impact assessment of the impact on Muslim female employees?

Totally with you on the voice training. It did wonders for a certain legal gentleman who sometimes frequents this board, although I think he's more of a lurker these days <waves to bundles> you can hardly tell he's a man when listening to him!

(I am of course being facetious)

So basically your employer is too lazy or too scared to confront their transphobic male employees about their transphobia, and is taking the soft option of dumping the toilet issue on the women to sort out. Nice.

Weird doesn't even touch the sides on this one!

No one ever said “spend a p”.

it's still the wrong fight for this thread

Who cares?

Also true.

OP, why are you bring so transphobic?

I thought all transpeople were delicate little law-abiding flowers who just want to pee. So surely, it won't be difficult for then to use the toilet of their natal sex?

You are not suggesting that they would break the law or cause other people discomfort?

If they are at risk, it's up to the service provider or workplace to resolve it. Not women. And as an added bonus, no one can accuse them of voyerism or indecent exposure.

Isn't that nice? They get to pee in peace.

You can also tell if a man or a woman is peeing by sound unfortunately.

All of which are true tells though.

If someone steals your car, even if they really do need a car, even if without a car they will lose their job or not get their kid to vital hospital appointments, the correct answer is for you to get your car back and separately for that person to find the support they need.

The correct answer is not you share the car because somehow the fact they stole it means they have a valid claim to it.

Trans "women" don't have a valid claim to be women or to women's spaces. They are not in reality any closer to being female than any other man is. The only thing that makes people think the compromise somehow has to involve women's spaces is that they called themselves "women"

But it's just a word.

Take the word away and try to justify their demands without it, and they got nothing.

There are two ways this plays out fairly.

We either agree women's spaces are for women specifically - female people - to be safe from men specifically both physically and emotionally, as these spaces always were and as everyone still understands perfectly well even if they pretend they don't because they think they can get what they want that way

Or

We agree "women's" spaces are wrongly named, are actually supposed to be "vulnerable people" spaces, and we open them up to all men who have reason to feel vulnerable, not just the men who tried to sneak in by claiming to be "women".

What is not fair is to say women's spaces are for women (female people) but then include a random selection of men with nothing really in common with women expect a stolen name. Because that makes no sense at all.

My bingo as you call it comes from a rape so violent MNHQ dont allow me to describe it.

your empathy is palpable.

Not so, women can tell whether it's a man or a woman walking behind them, we risk assess all the time. And no voice training has ever worked completely.

All of which is irrelevant, as they just shouldn't be there. But when they are we can tell. And will report.

That is a law suit waiting to happen.

They clearly have no experience of hypervigilance, that’s for sure.

Gait, hips and hands. I nearly have bingo

Also GDPR. Special category data being shared without a lawful basis or a S9 condition.

Voice training doesn’t work. Not in real life.
I can spot à man from behind - it’s gait, hip shape, hand size. Front on it’s even easier.

im glad you don’t have my experiences to make you fearful. I have rights and I’m not giving them away to please any man

I'm reading your posts with amazement, Theotheruser, because you seem to be working off some odd version of the law, workplace regulations, the Equality Act - you name it, and you seem to have a different version of it from the real version.

There are laws and regulations around the provision of toilets and changing rooms in workplaces. Some of the workplace regs say that there have to be separate men's and women's facilities. If your manager doesn't know that, they aren't equipped to manage because they aren't up to speed on the relevant regs.

If there are separate men's and women's spaces, as the workplace regs require, they may only be used by people of the appropriate biological sex - biological males in the men's, biological females in the women's.
That was made clear by the highest court in the UK - when the Equality Act says 'woman' it means a biological woman, when it says 'man' it means a biological man - however they identify, however comfortable or uncomfortable they feel.

It's just not on for a manager to pop their head around the door of the break room and ask whatever women are there if they'd like to over-rule the UK Supreme Court.

I don't know of any research, actual proper research, that shows that transwomen are in any danger in the men's toilet. If by any chance they are, that's for men to sort out, not women. They should be campaigning to make men's toilets safe spaces for all kinds of men, including transwomen.
It's not up to women to make men behave nicely towards each other.

The simplest solution is the obvious one: women use the women's; men use the men's; and all able-bodied people, including transpeople, show a bit of respect for disabled people and leave the accessible toilet free for people who really need an adapted toilet.

That's the way it worked until very recently, when a tiny number of men started claiming that they had a 'right' to use women's facilities because they were trans. That was never a 'right' at all, as the Supreme Court confirmed - men of any kind, no matter how they identify, have never had the right to use women's spaces.

If some of them have been getting away with it in the past, they need to get up to speed with the reality of the law as it is, not as they'd like it to be, and stop using the women's facilities.

They could start a campaign for safety in the men's toilets for all men of all identities...

Nope, men walk differently and voice training rarely leads them to sound like an actual woman, but it’s nice to see you dismissing an actual woman’s experience and her trauma while being oh so concerned about men’s discomfort of having to pee with other men.

Voice training is a thing, and footsteps is just ridiculous

'relieving bodily fluids' doesn't always mean what you think when it comes to some of these guys

Tough. I'm sure they'll get used to it.

when they speak. The way their footsteps sound.

I thought what I said was pretty clear.