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Rowling Makes a Stand

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JadeLeader · 20/06/2026 01:06

Ok, so I know the educated classes hate us and our Dear Leader, but she's really not doing herself any favours here...

Rowling Makes a Stand
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Seethlaw · 21/06/2026 10:23

EmilyinEverton · 21/06/2026 10:18

The goblins are depicted as the sole operators of the wizarding world’s underground economy and banking system. As well as the visual caricature of 'banker" this mirrors the antisemitic stereotype of Jews secretly controlling global finance and banking as well as primarily valuing wealth and fiercely loyalty to their own kind.

Except the goblins don't control any of the Wizarding World finance. They just, literally, operate the physical building where people keep their valuables. That's it, nothing more. They don't have their own gold, and they don't control what people do with their gold, whether secretly or openly.

Also, they absolutely do NOT value wealth. They just don't.

As for the loyalty to their own kind: I would expect you to understand it better than anyone else, seeing as the goblins are severely oppressed in the WW...

RedToothBrush · 21/06/2026 10:20

EmilyinEverton · 21/06/2026 10:11

Pure cope or ignorance.

Have you actually read any Harry Potter or know anything about JKR's writing ability? JK Rowling's ability to understand and use traditional symbols is widely regarded as highly sophisticated and syncretic. She seamlessly blends classical mythology, folklore, alchemy, and Christian imagery to add psychological and moral depth to her narratives, often hiding complex, universal truths beneath accessible, modern storytelling. And you seriously believe she never heard of jewish caricatures?

Bangs head on wall.

Dull. Gosh.

Imagine life where you didn't have to purity spiral and could be a normal human being who wasn't so fucking desperate to prove how virtuous you are.

You know entertainment, fantasy and fun. Where things really don't have hidden meanings and the world doesn't take itself overly seriously and you can escape the bullshit of the real world.

EmilyinEverton · 21/06/2026 10:18

Seethlaw · 21/06/2026 10:09

The goblins don't own the gold in Gringott's. Private people do. The goblins run the bank, and keep the gold safe for other people. It's almost like they don't care about gold at all and that's why they are in charge of the bank 🤔

The goblins are depicted as the sole operators of the wizarding world’s underground economy and banking system. As well as the visual caricature of 'banker" this mirrors the antisemitic stereotype of Jews secretly controlling global finance and banking as well as primarily valuing wealth and fiercely loyalty to their own kind.

BiologicalRobot · 21/06/2026 10:15

As far as Jon Stewart goes, he's a lot cleverer than you think. The visuals speak for themselves AND he knows that. It's a cunning way to draw attention to something but not be open to JK Rowlings lawyers.

Oh bloody hell Baldrick. A cunning plan??

RedToothBrush · 21/06/2026 10:14

EmilyinEverton · 21/06/2026 10:03

There's this thing called a stereotypical 'caricature'.

https://antisemitism.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Antisemitic-imagery-May-2020.pdf

See 28 "jewish gold"

I hope you are also campaigning for every Bond film ever to be banned. And pretty much every other Hollywood Action movie to be banned too.

Let's just ban everything and become like the Puritans of the 1600s where music and art is ungodly and all joy is not regarded as acceptable because all effort much better devoted to the worship of god. Except in your case it's trans religion where we must just all shit on JKR for every conceivable reason whether it's remotely deliberate or just complete and utter bollox.

We all know JKR is responsible for the deaths of all tran people now, in the past and in the future. And lots of other people too because she is so full of hate.

We get it. You hate JKR and many want to kill her and have said that outright. And there lies the irony.

Seethlaw · 21/06/2026 10:14

EmilyinEverton · 21/06/2026 10:11

Pure cope or ignorance.

Have you actually read any Harry Potter or know anything about JKR's writing ability? JK Rowling's ability to understand and use traditional symbols is widely regarded as highly sophisticated and syncretic. She seamlessly blends classical mythology, folklore, alchemy, and Christian imagery to add psychological and moral depth to her narratives, often hiding complex, universal truths beneath accessible, modern storytelling. And you seriously believe she never heard of jewish caricatures?

Again: the goblins don't love gold. That's precisely why they are in charge of the bank: because they can be trusted to not steal people's gold. So if she had Jews in mind when writing her goblins, then she turned the stereotype on its head.

EmilyinEverton · 21/06/2026 10:11

RedToothBrush · 21/06/2026 10:00

The obsession with JKR and holding her to a standard that's fucking ridiculous and not comparable to anyone else is hilarious.

You may as well call her Queen. You'd implode without having a villain in your own self created drama. Just so you can treat and make yourself look like a hero/victim with your virtue signalling nonsense.

The hypocrisy is extraordinary.

It's a film. Some numpty will always be along with a bunch of conspiracy theories about particularly successful franchises. Or write some bullshit third rate fanfic because they like to shit on the author because of their own sense of self importance.

Retaining creative control doesn't mean super human ability to spot every possible interpretation and to be ridiculously politically correct to the point of blandness and erasing every possible representation that someone might find even the teenyweeniest bit offensive.

The baddies in films have long been massive stereotypes which reflect an era. The current era seems to be lots of British Baddies (which is also a great thing and reflective of the sheer number of good British actors who can pull in a box office) but we've had play of Russian baddies, the East Asian baddies, Middle Eastern baddies, German baddies. We are also getting lots of American baddies too.

There is no getting it right tbh. Unless you get rid of everyone a bit mean in a film. And by that I mean even Disney fails. We just would have beginning where there were already living happily ever after.

It is flaming ridiculous. And impossible.

Pure cope or ignorance.

Have you actually read any Harry Potter or know anything about JKR's writing ability? JK Rowling's ability to understand and use traditional symbols is widely regarded as highly sophisticated and syncretic. She seamlessly blends classical mythology, folklore, alchemy, and Christian imagery to add psychological and moral depth to her narratives, often hiding complex, universal truths beneath accessible, modern storytelling. And you seriously believe she never heard of jewish caricatures?

Seethlaw · 21/06/2026 10:09

EmilyinEverton · 21/06/2026 10:03

There's this thing called a stereotypical 'caricature'.

https://antisemitism.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Antisemitic-imagery-May-2020.pdf

See 28 "jewish gold"

The goblins don't own the gold in Gringott's. Private people do. The goblins run the bank, and keep the gold safe for other people. It's almost like they don't care about gold at all and that's why they are in charge of the bank 🤔

EmilyinEverton · 21/06/2026 10:03

Shedmistress · 21/06/2026 09:49

If YOU look at goblins and think 'Jews', you are the racist.

You understand that, right?

There's this thing called a stereotypical 'caricature'.

https://antisemitism.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Antisemitic-imagery-May-2020.pdf

See 28 "jewish gold"

https://antisemitism.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Antisemitic-imagery-May-2020.pdf

RedToothBrush · 21/06/2026 10:02

I'm going for the line the JRK is a human. A good human. She may not always keep everyone happy. Nor is she perfect. But that's ok with me.

She's firmly shat on by dickheads though.

RedToothBrush · 21/06/2026 10:00

EmilyinEverton · 21/06/2026 09:46

JK Rowling has creative control over Harry Potter movies including script approval so she knew & could have changed it had she wanted to.

As far as Jon Stewart goes, he's a lot cleverer than you think. The visuals speak for themselves AND he knows that. It's a cunning way to draw attention to something but not be open to JK Rowlings lawyers.

The obsession with JKR and holding her to a standard that's fucking ridiculous and not comparable to anyone else is hilarious.

You may as well call her Queen. You'd implode without having a villain in your own self created drama. Just so you can treat and make yourself look like a hero/victim with your virtue signalling nonsense.

The hypocrisy is extraordinary.

It's a film. Some numpty will always be along with a bunch of conspiracy theories about particularly successful franchises. Or write some bullshit third rate fanfic because they like to shit on the author because of their own sense of self importance.

Retaining creative control doesn't mean super human ability to spot every possible interpretation and to be ridiculously politically correct to the point of blandness and erasing every possible representation that someone might find even the teenyweeniest bit offensive.

The baddies in films have long been massive stereotypes which reflect an era. The current era seems to be lots of British Baddies (which is also a great thing and reflective of the sheer number of good British actors who can pull in a box office) but we've had play of Russian baddies, the East Asian baddies, Middle Eastern baddies, German baddies. We are also getting lots of American baddies too.

There is no getting it right tbh. Unless you get rid of everyone a bit mean in a film. And by that I mean even Disney fails. We just would have beginning where there were already living happily ever after.

It is flaming ridiculous. And impossible.

callmeLoretta1 · 21/06/2026 09:56

Strange that you only just joined yesterday, and your first post was to go straight to the feminist section and attack Rowling. You Trans/UK Redditors really aren't even trying.

NotBadConsidering · 21/06/2026 09:52

So John Stewart actually meant up is down, and right is left, and forwards is backwards, and the Nazis won Stalingrad really, and in Upsy-Down Town, the sky is in the sea, the sea is where the sky should be, the rain is falling up, instead of falling down, down in Upsy-Down Town.

soddingspiderseason · 21/06/2026 09:51

EmilyinEverton · 21/06/2026 09:46

JK Rowling has creative control over Harry Potter movies including script approval so she knew & could have changed it had she wanted to.

As far as Jon Stewart goes, he's a lot cleverer than you think. The visuals speak for themselves AND he knows that. It's a cunning way to draw attention to something but not be open to JK Rowlings lawyers.

Oh for goodness sake, give it up. Its just ridiculous to keep ploughing this furrow. So JKR is a literal Nazi? Don’t be do daft. And its this kind of overreach that has most ordinary people rolling their eyes. She doesn’t believe that male people can become female people. And for that, every word she has written, everything she buys in Tescos, every time she sings along to “Let it Be” on the radio, is somehow proof that she’s a Nazi witch. Give your head a wobble mate.

Boiledbeetle · 21/06/2026 09:51

Shedmistress · 21/06/2026 09:49

If YOU look at goblins and think 'Jews', you are the racist.

You understand that, right?

Probably doesn't.

EmilyinEverton · 21/06/2026 09:50

Imdunfer · 21/06/2026 09:21

Oh come on Emily, do you think it's reasonable to look at that picture and state that all those men are straight?

Drag? Are you even aware that the vast majority of drag artists self declare as LGBTQ++?

These weren't "drag artists" just like football players, students & fancy dress blokes who do the same sort of thing to 'let off steam' aren't.

Shedmistress · 21/06/2026 09:49

EmilyinEverton · 21/06/2026 09:46

JK Rowling has creative control over Harry Potter movies including script approval so she knew & could have changed it had she wanted to.

As far as Jon Stewart goes, he's a lot cleverer than you think. The visuals speak for themselves AND he knows that. It's a cunning way to draw attention to something but not be open to JK Rowlings lawyers.

If YOU look at goblins and think 'Jews', you are the racist.

You understand that, right?

Waitwhat23 · 21/06/2026 09:48

Oh my, OP. Are you doing a deliberate parody? You can't be seriously running through the TRA 'Big Book of Made up examples of JKR's Evil Doing' seriously, can you?

At least it's resulted in amusing posts from other posters.

But seriously. Eeesh.

EmilyinEverton · 21/06/2026 09:46

BunnyBunbunbun · 21/06/2026 09:04

Another example of where Emily not only has no grasps of thr facts but hasn't even read the "gotcha" arguments he thinks are going to crush us. First of all, Rowling's depictions of goblins are positive and her physical depictions of them are simply reflecting the general mythology of them (short, long-nosed).

The supposedly anti-Semitic portrayal of the goblins is not from Rowling's books, but from the Harry Potter films. Even John Stewart in the NBC article Emily links to is quoted as talking about the goblins in the films not the book: "Have you ever seen a 'Harry Potter' movie? Have you ever seen the scenes in Gringotts bank? Do you know what those folks who run the bank are? Jews!”

Moreover, at the time John Stewart himself said that he was absolutely not claiming JK Rowling is anti-Semitic and lots of Jewish people came out in defence of her.

It's just another insane claim to try to make us believe that JK Rowling is a Nazi and that's why she doesn't believe that humans can change sex.

JK Rowling has creative control over Harry Potter movies including script approval so she knew & could have changed it had she wanted to.

As far as Jon Stewart goes, he's a lot cleverer than you think. The visuals speak for themselves AND he knows that. It's a cunning way to draw attention to something but not be open to JK Rowlings lawyers.

Boiledbeetle · 21/06/2026 09:41

Imdunfer · 21/06/2026 09:21

Oh come on Emily, do you think it's reasonable to look at that picture and state that all those men are straight?

Drag? Are you even aware that the vast majority of drag artists self declare as LGBTQ++?

In 1940s Germany no one in drag was identifying as T or Q or +. And the homosexual ones were no doubt literally under pain of death to keep their mouths shut about the fact.

In 1940s Germany I'd bet all those men said they were heterosexual.

Boiledbeetle · 21/06/2026 09:38

Imdunfer · 21/06/2026 09:12

Well at the very best, you have no idea whether they are, they aren't or they're a mix, but I'd suggest there are a few clues in the photograph that would make it pretty odd to assume they are all straight.

Exactly. None of us know.

They could all be heterosexual, all homosexual, or a mixture.

But give us the "clues" you spotted that apparently make it odd to assume they are all heterosexual.

DeanElderberry · 21/06/2026 09:22

Being anything other than straight, or at least straight-presenting, in the German military during WW2 would be dangerous, possibly fatal.

Whereas doing drag was fine.

Imdunfer · 21/06/2026 09:21

EmilyinEverton · 21/06/2026 09:14

There's this thing called entertainment 'drag'.

Drag in the military for humour or entertainment stemming from carnival culture isn't anything exclusive to gays or germans. That this is 'confused' for gender non conformity says more about the perceivers obsessive nature.

www.beachesofnormandy.com/articles/Infantry_in_drag/?id=265c63be13

Oh come on Emily, do you think it's reasonable to look at that picture and state that all those men are straight?

Drag? Are you even aware that the vast majority of drag artists self declare as LGBTQ++?

EmilyinEverton · 21/06/2026 09:14

Boiledbeetle · 21/06/2026 08:59

What makes you think they aren't?

There's this thing called entertainment 'drag'.

Drag in the military for humour or entertainment stemming from carnival culture isn't anything exclusive to gays or germans. That this is 'confused' for gender non conformity says more about the perceivers obsessive nature.

www.beachesofnormandy.com/articles/Infantry_in_drag/?id=265c63be13

Imdunfer · 21/06/2026 09:12

Boiledbeetle · 21/06/2026 08:59

What makes you think they aren't?

Well at the very best, you have no idea whether they are, they aren't or they're a mix, but I'd suggest there are a few clues in the photograph that would make it pretty odd to assume they are all straight.