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Update on the puberty blockers trial

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Hoardasurass · 19/06/2026 14:53

They're going ahead with the puberty blockers trial and it will be open to girls as young as 11 and boys from 12. So it looks like we're going to have to fight again to stop this eugenics campaign of sterilising predominantly gay and autistic children

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/4b3e2839923e3d87

Girls as young as 11 set to be handed puberty blockers

Experiment revived despite potential ‘long-term biological harms’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/4b3e2839923e3d87

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impossibletoday · 09/07/2026 12:21

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Update on the puberty blockers trial
DisappearingGirl · 27/06/2026 15:36

Zoonosis · 23/06/2026 13:56

Or maybe unlike the fanatics and ideologues here, she accepts the reality that trans people exist, that there are people living in our society who have transitioned and are happier and healthier for it, and all of those people were children once.

I actually do agree with you that some people are happier transitioning and I think that option should be available for people well into adulthood with reasonably stable mental health.

However I think kids and teens (and probably very young adults) are too young to make the decision to start any kind of medical transition pathway.

Wishesandhorses · 26/06/2026 22:23

there are people living in our society who have transitioned and are happier and healthier for it

And, obviously, there are those who are not.

Many detransitioners talk about their feelings of betrayal, that adults enabled them and did not protect them from these decisions that with hindsight they believe they should not have been allowed to make, or from the permanent damage they now have to live with.

The basic question is:

Is it more moral, ethical, responsible and right to do something that will permanently change a child's body and cause potentially serious life long medical issues and harm, knowing that some of those children will come to regret it and struggle to live with the permanent, inescapable after effects and loss of adult potential?

Or is it more moral, ethical, responsible and right to say no, medication and surgery cannot ever be accessed by children, and is territory only for adults who are able to make such permanent decisions, knowing that some of those children will be frustrated by the wait?

Imdunfer · 25/06/2026 09:43

Zoonosis · 23/06/2026 13:56

Or maybe unlike the fanatics and ideologues here, she accepts the reality that trans people exist, that there are people living in our society who have transitioned and are happier and healthier for it, and all of those people were children once.

There are also people who have sued because they are unhappy with the fact that they cannot stick back on breasts that have been amputated after realising that they were mislead into attempting to change their sex.

Amongst that happy cohort you mention there are almost certainly people who would have gone through puberty and changed their minds if they had not been given cross sex hormones and the enormous psychological support and huge encouragement and welcome given by the trans community. Especially if they had been able to access help to explore the reasons behind their gender dysphoria.

Medically it's completely unethical to treat any person with treatments that produce permanent effects until such time as they have reached a level of physical and mental maturity to be sure they wouldn't be one of the many people who change their minds after puberty.

To halt puberty, which is the very thing that causes the change of mindset, especially in children who are unable to legally consent, is so unethical that it's beyond belief outside the trans activist arena.

Shortshriftandlethal · 24/06/2026 20:23

Wishesandhorses · 24/06/2026 16:16

Honestly, not in the slightest.

O.k! Thanks!

Though I know that some nascently same sex attracted girls do - in the same way that some nascently gay boys tend to prefer to hang out with the girls.

UtopiaPlanitia · 24/06/2026 20:11

impossibletoday · 24/06/2026 16:32

Cass accuses the NHS gender clinics of groupthink but then, somehow, accepts that the exact same treatment regime employed by those clinics might help us effectively treat a disorder the clinics themselves never successfully treated 🤯

See 12:28 on this live link:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/24/arc-conference-farage-fears-jewish-people-leaving-britain/

feministmom4ever · 24/06/2026 19:28

Seethlaw · 24/06/2026 16:40

Sounds to me like Dr Cass has a trans friend or family member or something, and that blinds her to the fact that the existence of "true trans" people doesn't excuse experimenting on children. Sad 🙁

It’s an extremely frustrating position for her to take, because even if “true trans” people existed (currently there is no evidence for this), there is no objective, or reliable way to identify them.

feministmom4ever · 24/06/2026 19:26

It still might be stopped.

Update on the puberty blockers trial
Seethlaw · 24/06/2026 16:40

Sounds to me like Dr Cass has a trans friend or family member or something, and that blinds her to the fact that the existence of "true trans" people doesn't excuse experimenting on children. Sad 🙁

Wishesandhorses · 24/06/2026 16:16

Shortshriftandlethal · 24/06/2026 15:42

Did you ever feel you identified more with boys, or preferred male company - even if you didn't actively want to be a boy?

Honestly, not in the slightest.

Cantunseeit · 24/06/2026 16:12

Research data shows that gender questioning children are more likely to desist than continue. The Cass Review observed early studies suggested that in a minority (approximately 15%) of pre-pubertal children presenting with gender incongruence, this persisted into adulthood. The majority of these children became same-sex attracted, cisgender adults. A review of the literature (Ristori & Steensma, 2016) noted that later studies (Drummond et al., 2008; Steensma & Cohen-Kettenis, 2015; Wallien et al., 2008) also found persistence rates of 10-33% in cohorts who had met formal diagnostic criteria at initial assessment, and had longer follow-up periods.

Furthermore, results from a Finish Registry study published in April 2026 showed that continuing along a medical pathway carries risks. “Severe psychiatric morbidity is common among gender-referred adolescents and appears to be more prevalent in those referred after the recent surge in referrals. Psychiatric needs do not subside after medical gender reassignment.”

More children will be harmed than benefit by any analysis. They don't know which will persist. That is before the question whether PB's are harmful or helpful even if they could 100% know which children would persist.

Shortshriftandlethal · 24/06/2026 15:42

Wishesandhorses · 24/06/2026 14:59

I was attracted to girls from before my teens. Don't ever remember thinking I was a boy. When I first started to go to clubs etc it was still the dark ages the time when lesbians were supposed to signal it by DMs and short haircuts and women who looked too feminine were viewed with suspicion, but they were very much women who loved women, with no interest in men at all.

I'd think it's been the more modern strict coding of toys/clothes/stereotypes and the fear of having to grow up a woman in this society that has pushed girls towards trying to identify away from their reality.

Did you ever feel you identified more with boys, or preferred male company - even if you didn't actively want to be a boy?

UtopiaPlanitia · 24/06/2026 15:35

BunnyBunbunbun · 23/06/2026 22:18

The rationale for this trial is really bizarre. These kids are apparently going to find ways to get these pharmaceuticals anyway so let's at least give them to them in a "controlled way". Why not give kids cigarettes then, since they're going to get their hands on some and try smoking anyway. Or give heroin addicts heroin on the NHS? That way they can't get pure stuff - not the stuff filled with dangerous impurities - and have an eye kept on them so they don't suffocate on their vomit.

Look at how things have gone in Canada in the name of pursuing 'harm reduction': in British Columbia drug use and drug deaths are increased and in other parts of Canada disabled people have been offered euthanasia rather than adaptations to their home to help them live independently.

Wishesandhorses · 24/06/2026 14:59

I was attracted to girls from before my teens. Don't ever remember thinking I was a boy. When I first started to go to clubs etc it was still the dark ages the time when lesbians were supposed to signal it by DMs and short haircuts and women who looked too feminine were viewed with suspicion, but they were very much women who loved women, with no interest in men at all.

I'd think it's been the more modern strict coding of toys/clothes/stereotypes and the fear of having to grow up a woman in this society that has pushed girls towards trying to identify away from their reality.

Shortshriftandlethal · 24/06/2026 14:46

OldCrone · 24/06/2026 14:26

I suggest most young same sex attracted people developed some degree of cross sex identification as children.

I remember reading (although I can't remember the source) that boys who want be girls (before puberty) often grow up to be gay, but there is no similar correlation with sexuality for girls who want to be boys.

Most middle-aged male transitioners are heterosexual. If this starts in childhood with crossdressing then crossdressing must be something different from a cross sex identification.

Definitely!

I wasn't suggesting that the cross dressing element are the same cohort as the gay cohort. As we know, most male transitioners are now of the heterosexual/AGP variety - but I do think child transition has been mostly pushed by this cohort of men - because they started off cross dressing in childhood. They then spin the narrative around that practice into " I've known i was trans since childhood"

Although, of course, a lot of gay male culture revolves around drag - which is literally men cross dressing and assuming a 'feminine' identity.

OldCrone · 24/06/2026 14:26

Shortshriftandlethal · 24/06/2026 10:53

I suspect that is largely down to those who have been most effective in pushing the idea of an innate gender identity - and that is those older men who have, since childhood, been cross dressing. Cross dressing tends to start in childhood.
These men now say " I've always known I was trans, since childhood". The problem for them is that once you go past male puberty it becomes exceptionally difficult to 'pass' as a woman.

There is also, I suspect, a movement of men who are 'interested' in children - often in boys...but not excxlusively in boys, girls too. The girls, though, are largely irrelevent casualties; mostly young 'gender' non conforming lesbians. I suggest most young same sex attracted people developed some degree of cross sex identification as children.

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I suggest most young same sex attracted people developed some degree of cross sex identification as children.

I remember reading (although I can't remember the source) that boys who want be girls (before puberty) often grow up to be gay, but there is no similar correlation with sexuality for girls who want to be boys.

Most middle-aged male transitioners are heterosexual. If this starts in childhood with crossdressing then crossdressing must be something different from a cross sex identification.

Shortshriftandlethal · 24/06/2026 10:53

Seethlaw · 23/06/2026 22:52

Yes!! I mean, I'd love to know if other trans people are like me, at least some of them, and what other causes might exist. It's just so weird that they go, "Okay, this disorder exists, but we won't bother figuring out how it happens." They do it for everything else, so why not that? That's just weird.

I suspect that is largely down to those who have been most effective in pushing the idea of an innate gender identity - and that is those older men who have, since childhood, been cross dressing. Cross dressing tends to start in childhood.
These men now say " I've always known I was trans, since childhood". The problem for them is that once you go past male puberty it becomes exceptionally difficult to 'pass' as a woman.

There is also, I suspect, a movement of men who are 'interested' in children - often in boys...but not excxlusively in boys, girls too. The girls, though, are largely irrelevent casualties; mostly young 'gender' non conforming lesbians. I suggest most young same sex attracted people developed some degree of cross sex identification as children.

Shortshriftandlethal · 24/06/2026 10:45

OldCrone · 23/06/2026 22:49

Yes, and Dr Cass said that some of the children getting hold of these drugs are only 11 years old. How are they managing to source them, and where are these children getting the money from? Surely they cost more than pocket money.

If it's their parents buying them, isn't that a criminal offence? Why aren't they going after the parents and the suppliers? That seems a more sensible course of action than handing out more drugs to children.

There are numerous parents touting their 'trans children' around on social media, as part of their attention seeking personal brands.

QldGCandproud · 23/06/2026 23:58

NotBadConsidering · 23/06/2026 22:53

Yes, far too much focus is put on “we know what the problem is, we are just trying to establish what is the best way to fix the problem” when it’s not remotely settled what the problem actually is. No one can logically explain what is being treated.

Correct, as in, by what mechanism does a child's <insert esoteric noun here> actually get born into "the wrong body". I've been pregnant twice, and can assure anyone who needs to ask that there was only one body to pick from! So, is it some floaty entity in the atmosphere that follows pregnant women around and goes in through our ear or nose or something and settles into the zygote, only to realise months or years later that it was the wrong kind of body... honestly, obviously I'm being ridiculous but if this causes such a dreadful psychological state for so many people, to the point that laws need to be re-written, language has to change and medical and surgical intervention is required, why is there not a global panic/research response into the CAUSE of this phenomenon, rather than a piecemeal local government approach based on nothing that can be scientifically verified.

NotBadConsidering · 23/06/2026 22:53

BunnyBunbunbun · 23/06/2026 22:10

What fascinates me is that they never bother to ask just why these kids supposedly believe that they are the opposite sex when they are quite patently not the opposite sex. Just what causes so-called "gender dysphoria"? Why don't they look into that first?

Yes, far too much focus is put on “we know what the problem is, we are just trying to establish what is the best way to fix the problem” when it’s not remotely settled what the problem actually is. No one can logically explain what is being treated.

Seethlaw · 23/06/2026 22:52

BunnyBunbunbun · 23/06/2026 22:10

What fascinates me is that they never bother to ask just why these kids supposedly believe that they are the opposite sex when they are quite patently not the opposite sex. Just what causes so-called "gender dysphoria"? Why don't they look into that first?

Yes!! I mean, I'd love to know if other trans people are like me, at least some of them, and what other causes might exist. It's just so weird that they go, "Okay, this disorder exists, but we won't bother figuring out how it happens." They do it for everything else, so why not that? That's just weird.

OldCrone · 23/06/2026 22:49

BunnyBunbunbun · 23/06/2026 22:18

The rationale for this trial is really bizarre. These kids are apparently going to find ways to get these pharmaceuticals anyway so let's at least give them to them in a "controlled way". Why not give kids cigarettes then, since they're going to get their hands on some and try smoking anyway. Or give heroin addicts heroin on the NHS? That way they can't get pure stuff - not the stuff filled with dangerous impurities - and have an eye kept on them so they don't suffocate on their vomit.

Yes, and Dr Cass said that some of the children getting hold of these drugs are only 11 years old. How are they managing to source them, and where are these children getting the money from? Surely they cost more than pocket money.

If it's their parents buying them, isn't that a criminal offence? Why aren't they going after the parents and the suppliers? That seems a more sensible course of action than handing out more drugs to children.