"Love is Love" T-shirt by Stonewall and S&M (yes, really)

My mistake. Turns out I saw a mislabeled photo and drew the wrong conclusion.

I think it’s the stonewall logo embedded into them

That happens a lot on this board. I made a smiler comment a few days ago on another particularly
(IMHO ill informed) thread - the OP and many others were stating ideas/opinions as if they were robustly-evidenced facts.

Maybe. Though if not be surprised if it is something they picked up on later.

To me "love is love" is one of the first kinds of slogans for social change. It's so obviously not true, so right from the start to be plausible we have to avoid applying it where it's inappropriate. Like abusive relationships which can of course involve real love.

So it is an easy idea to manipulate one people accept it as a truism.

And it shuts down all the real and serious questions around ssm too, like, Is marriage really about love anyway? Why have legal marriage? Is it correct to say that we can't have legislation that differentiates on the basis of reproductive role because of equal rights?

No.

Please appreciate that people are perhaps reluctant to post links to p*dophile sites, MAP sites and such like and have them in their search history.

It's a design element associated with one of the designers from previous work.

Ive not read the thread yet but whats with the penis shaped cross bars in the Es?

I still can't find any real source of the "love is love" slogan actually being associated with PIE- I'd really appreciate some links if anyone has any archival evidence, because so far all I've found is people repeating it as fact without anything to back it up

I'm a huge supporter of same sex marriage and equality.

I do not like 'Love is Love' though as it has always sounded weirdly coercive to me. Love isn't love, if it hurts, you're scared or sad or can't say no or they let you down or are unkind etc etc....

I can only assume the people who like it have had a very privileged path and only ever met and interacted with people who mean what they say.

100% this

Gosh, you thought he was sincere?!

Apart for when it's used with the initials s and m and has dodgy associations with PIE.

But apart from that....

So even less effort has gone into the design than I thought.

It’s the symbol Scotty, of Scotty & Mirko, has used as a sort of trademark in his previous designs for Mulberry.

Hose connectors or penises, whatever they are, those thrusting Es are very male.

If they wanted to play around with the letters they could have done something lovely and symbolic with the Vs. But they didn't, did they. Hmm, why is that?

Makes me think of paedophilia and incest - as the slogan could be used by sickos as an argument for both - which then leads me to questioning the whole q+ part of the movement.

I was just in Sainsbury’s and their Pride display says ‘Love is Love’ so I guess it’s becoming more
common as a pride saying - to me it will always be associated with PIE though

I assume that one of the "cis athletes" is Imane Khelif who did threaten to sue JKR at one point but never actually did

According to the person in the video, "multiple cis athletes" are suing JKR for bullying. Who are these athletes? I cannot find anything anywhere on this. These claims seem to be made up.

But why not?

They chose it because the logic works for them as much as anyone else.

It is and always was a moronic slogan.

Chatgpt says
"Love is love" originated as a rallying cry in the marriage equality and LGBTQ+ rights movements, solidifying in the early to mid-2000s. It was popularized to argue that same-sex romantic love is inherently as valid, beautiful, and legitimate as opposite-sex relationships.
The origins and evolution of the phrase span several decades:1984 Pop Music: The exact phrase gained early visibility through the Culture Club single "Love is Love", featured on a re-release of their album Waking Up with the House on Fire.

Early 2000s Advocacy: The phrase became a prominent slogan deployed in various grassroots arguments to normalize same-sex relationships and combat anti-gay prejudice.
The phrase became a critical defensive slogan during the campaign surrounding Proposition 8 (Prop 8), a controversial ballot initiative designed to amend the California Constitution to ban same-sex marriage. Initially, the "No on 8" campaign relied heavily on legal and abstract arguments regarding "rights and benefits". "Love is love" became a central counter-narrative to traditionalist messaging.

2016 Tony Awards: The phrase reached a massive global audience when composer Lin-Manuel Miranda recited an acceptance sonnet featuring the repeated line, "And love is love is love is love is love is love is love is love," in honor of the victims of the Pulse nightclub shooting.

While some critics point out that the slogan is largely an emotional appeal rather than a formal, academic argument, sociologists and historians recognize it as one of the defining mantras that helped reframe societal perspectives on human rights in the modern era."

I’ve been looking for evidence that PIE used Love is Love. I haven’t anything so far. I’m wondering if it’s actually a myth.

I actually can’t see Stonewall wanting to associate themselves with paedophiles because it is obvious that it would upset people.

As for the t-shirt - not my taste but assuming the slogan is not associated with paedophila, then I don’t see an issue. I think the S&M brand name is funny.

Sadly google just finds a bunch of weird Christian websites arguing that because it doesn't says God is love that the phrase is evil and so are homosexuals.