Guardian: weaponised emotional blackmail from 14yo 'trans' athlete

It's not hate speech. Dont be ridiculous. Hate speech is a legally designated concept. It's not just 'things I don't want to hear'

Quite

With a bit of luck some of the men involved may have done their own clandestine filming.

If you don't want hate speech pointed out, then don't use it. Especially against children.

Trans kids find getting beaten up & sexually assaulted pretty tedious too. Shame about the adults who enable that.

Even at 14 he's displaying the same need to dominate women and force them to bend to his will and wishes, that seems to be an integral part of the back stories of many individuals that have been mentioned in many threads.
Stealing faces, races and names of the females in the immediate circle, should be ringing alarm bells by now, instead you have apologists falling over themselves to validate him.

Oh yes it does.

I'm sure CCTV of female changing rooms is freely available😶

Why not? Is it because the boy in this article is still a boy? Gosh who'd have thought it?
I so wanted to be a boy when I was a child. Wore trousers, 'boys' shoes. Made friends with boys.
I think, looking back, this was tied to my parents desperately wanting a boy. Thank God i wasn't affirmed.

Have to just 'admire' the people that come on here with odd 'theories' : born in the wrong body, feelings etc and berate others to have empathy!!! It's all been heard before, many times.
To throw in 'intersex' and '2 spirit' almost completes the bingo card.
Perhaps, Evie, take a look at the FWR board for threads like ' that never happens' or ' break it down for me'
Could be a revelation.

There are a lot of very, very intelligent women here, who posters like you, insult massively by telling us to have empathy and to be kind which avoids the real issue.
Being kind hasn't helped women.

I never said I had a solution or that it's easy. I want to protect women's rights and spaces as much as the next feminist whilst also acknowledging that there are some people who are genuinely trans. There is no easy answer.... hence the ongoing debate

And rather dangerous for safeguarding if you're not alarmed by overly jovial beardy men breaking into your house or effete creatures rummaging under your pillow in the night.

I used to think this as I too wanted to be kind and accepting. Feeling like a kind person was an essential part of my identity. It’s taken many years and many mistakes to arrive at the irrefutable conclusion that the aphorism "the path to hell…" is true and definitely applies to the issue of sex v gender in confused children and teens.

Terry Pratchett’s novel Eric illustrates this beautifully. Especially the ending "for the good of the kids", "I meant it for the best"… that can end up being life long regrets. And I feel great sorrow for TransParently when they and their DD realise it was all a horrible mistake and how badly they’ve been lied to by health and educational professionals.

Perhaps there are ‘genuine life long cases’ as in a persistent belief that does not diminish over time, but I think we should treat those men who feel they’re women as men who feel like they’re women. Not treat them as women.

We share 60 to 65% of our DNA with birds. I could just as well wave my hands around and suggest there's a scientific basis for a glitch that means some people truly feel like birds in human bodies.

'Be kiiiiind' has so much to answer for. Sometimes the truth and firmness are much more important that being fluffy and 'nice' in a very superficial sense.

And why does the 'kind' only go one way? Why does my elder maiden Aunt not deserve any consideration? Or my Muslim colleagues? Or my young teen nieces?

Why must women and girls put up and shut up so men and boys never have to face hurty words?

If there is such a thing as separate brain sex (ah sperm has met met egg, it's a Y sperm quick grab a 'diggers and action man' brain and magic it into the womb of that 'princesses and pink lace' person that has just conceived) why should that be regarded as a more important thing to separate people by than their actual, observable biological sex that determines their strength, speed etc.

People have lost sight of the fact that sometimes you have to tell people what they don't want to hear to do the right/moral thing. And that's the right/moral thing by them as well as everyone else.

Also known as "parenting."

This is what I don't understand.

How is it better to pretend boys can become girls, but only up to a point. And at a crucial point of affirmation (accessing women's spaces) you pull it back. That strikes me as much more cruel. Better to be clear from the get go.

People have lost sight of the fact that sometimes you have to tell people what they don't want to hear to do the right/moral thing. And that's the right/moral thing by them as well as everyone else.

'Be kiiiiind' has so much to answer for. Sometimes the truth and firmness are much more important that being fluffy and 'nice' in a very superficial sense.

That's an excellent analogy, are you Scottish?

I mean genuinely- so what?

It might explain why a boy feels that way.

It doesn't mean his body is actually female. It doesn't mean he experiences life in a female body and forms his personality and sense of self within all that comes with that body.

It doesn't justify treating him "as a girl", bexause unless you decide to take the sexist position that being a boy or a girl is a mental difference rather than a physical one, he is still a boy in the real world even if his brain says otherwise.

Even at 14 there’s a desire by the male sex to dominate the female sex?

Interesting. Rejects his father's name, takes his mother's and then beats his sister in competitions.....lots to think about there.

Am I afraid of emotional blackmail over distressed children being cynically leveraged by a sexist political movement to destroy female people's rights, voice and political legitimacy? Hell yes I am!

It's straight out of the populist authoritarian playbook. Make people act from emotion rather than rationality and you can lead them by the nose into whatever you want.

That's why I post long, carefully though through arguments not knee jerk slogans. Because I refuse to be part of this mindless stupidity.

I'm sorry about what happened to your female child when she started identifying as a boy. That was very wrong. However, the wrongness of the abuse is not somehow proof that her identity is as a boy must be "right", and the solution to her distress cannot be to undefine the reality of sex and replace the recognition of sex based needs, rights and political legitimacy with a sexist construction based on the idea some minds are simply wrong for their bodies, because that has impacts that go far beyond your daughter's personal sense of self.

“the vitriol I recently experienced was not a healthy debate”

Oh the irony. Welcome to what women have been experiencing at the hands of TRAs in recent years. A taste of how it really is to be a woman for you.

There is no such thing as a "female brain"
https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-samsung-rvo1&source=android-browser&q=is+there+a+female+brain#lfId=ChxjMe

So you believe we should say to boys who think they are really girls that yes they are girls, but a special type of girl that can't use the girls toilets or changing room or enter girls races? How is that kinder than saying sorry you are actually a boy, but it's OK to be a boy with long hair, it's OK to be a boy who likes pink and it's OK to be a boy that plays with dolls.

The boy in the article is 14 the age at which my long haired DS stopped being regularly mis-sexed, the age at which he grew 4 inches in a year and his physique became noticeably male rather than androgynous.

As a transman, I'm a LOT more afraid of saying the wrong thing around too many transwomen and TRAs, than of being myself around random people. I know who's yelled in my face for not toeing the party line to the millimetre (and that was long before I turned GC.).

Totally agree