Guardian: weaponised emotional blackmail from 14yo 'trans' athlete

If your son was in the closet that long, then why didn't you encourage him to stay there, at least at school, until he was out of school? I mean, the bullying he suffered there was utterly predictable, so why did you let him transition at school? Surely you were not under the delusion that the kids would be nice to him, were you!?

Explain to us how anyone can be born trans then. How does that work?

I agree with him on that statement though. But just not in the way he means it!

Except, none of that's true.

My son's my son, ignorance about trans people is no defence for disrespecting them, and honestly - go patronise someone else.

Conspiracy theory isn't real life. My son knew who he was at a very young age, told no one except a friend who kept it secret for ten years, and had no access to the Internet outside school until he was several years into secondary.

He had no access to trans people at all. He was raised by very gnc, feminist parents, wore his brother's clothes, was a champion ballerina and had no trans friends until college. He's attracted to men and isn't autistic.

His cousin, who he didn't know until after he came out, is also trans. He was raised in a totally different household I'm not going to detail - suffice to say, not trans-friendly.

I'm aware it suits many here to believe that trans people are made, not born. Accepting otherwise would cause you to question a life spent obsessing about, raging against and dehumanising them.

Your pity isn't necessary. Respect is what trans kids need - and safety.

‘Seek out credible information. Hold your opinions to the highest standard of truth.‘

What the heck is going on in this boy’s head?! Patronising mansplaining aside.

How can you possibly have a felt social construct? What if feels like to be a woman (defined by biology) will depend on history, geography, class, race etc and personality. There is no universal feeling of being female that those born male can refer to that are not biological. There are universal experiences of sexism before puberty but the true universal experiences are biological beyond puberty. I prefer to wear trousers and no make up but know that I am a woman biologically because periods, childbirth, breastfeeding, menopause. If that doesn’t make me a woman what does? Delusional beliefs?

I did observational analysis for my undergrad degree at the Beaumont society group social. The participants to the research were ‘annoyed’ that I did not have to perform ‘femininity’ to pass. That was because I was an actual woman and passing was not a thing. Men pretending to be women had to perform to ‘pass’ and performed over-sexualised stereotypes. My thesis argued that male to female transgenderism was the last bastion of the concept of feminity that had been abandoned by biological women (this was the late 80s).

I wonder to what extent biological women have succumbed to the performance of feminity but then see the obvious masculinity of TRAs and men in female spaces.

When I was little, about three years old, I kept asking my mum if I was a good girl. Constantly. And she couldn’t understand why. She reassured me that I was a good girl and asked why I thought I wasn’t.

And apparently I said (because I don’t remember), that I didn’t think I was a good girl because I didn’t have a penis like my three brothers. One was older, so maybe I assumed I would grow a penis if I was a good girl or got older, and two were younger. So maybe I thought they were good children and that’s why they had penises.

Apparently it took seeing my female cousin having her nappy changed for me to understand that I was a girl, and she was a girl and we had the same genitalia because we are female.

Now imagine if I didn’t have that experience of seeing my cousin. Or if my cousin was a boy. In today’s society, perhaps my parents might have decided I was a boy because I wanted to be one so much. They might have raised me like that and put me on drugs to stop puberty and then put me on testosterone when I was older.

I was just a little girl who didn’t understand that male and female bodies were different. I was just a child.

To have misled me about my sex when I was that young would have been child abuse. We have to be careful what we tell children because they are children and will believe us.

Thankfully my parents were able to say I was a girl and I was different and I was perfectly normal.

Even in years to come an unknown girl could be denied a school/ championship/age record because of a time set by a male, with male advantage.

Male advantage is real, its not a possibility or a matter for debate it is a cold hard fact evidenced by every single male world and Olympic record being faster than the equivalent female record. If there wasn't an advantage in being male why doesn't a single record by a woman outstrip that of men? From 60m to marathons from running, to swimming, to cycling? Male bodies are different to female bodies they aren't interchangeable but with different genitals. There are 100s of differences between a man and a women.

No I didn't say that. I think you have misunderstood me

He'd be over the age of criminal responsibility here, and some people of his age are tried as adults in the States, so I think he does need to accept responsibility at his current age. He's not 4 anymore.

This boy took the place of a girl AND all the other girls then had to move down a place to accommodate the boy.

The family might think it's lovely for the siblings, but it doesn't just affect those two does it?

Yep and when this responsibility does kick in because of his age, it's not for us to protect him from it.

It is the failure of his parents to prepare him for this point which was an inevitably.

We can't excuse his behaviour because of his upbringing.

Having shitty parents is ultimately not a legal or moral defence for your own behaviour.

It's not hate speech to correctly sex a person. And telling lies is wrong in any religion, and atheists also think it's wrong.

It's perfectly fine to call out this boy for cheating at sport, he is old enough to know exactly what he's doing and seemingly to relish in beating his sister.

His parents are responsible for a lot of it but he has to own his poor behaviour. He could just be dressing alternatively and living the quiet life so many TRAs say they want, but no, he wants colonisation. This may be due to his rich upbringing and sense of entitlement, but he still has responsibility.

Freedom is only maintained by the willingness of the individual and the public to speak the truth to power.

There are no exceptions.

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Truth stated plainly is never hate speech.

"Trans women are women" and everything that comes with it is by definition an ideology.

I am fucking angry at every adult who has enabled it.

This includes people like you who deliberately suggest the boy is a target for hate here. This is another lie.

He's is an entitled brat who needs to be dealt with appropriately (no this does not mean violence. It's being told no firmly). But you only get entitled brats because parents don't parent.

Re female brains.

No there's nothing that has actually shown the female brain in research.

What they have found is the 'extremist brain' and how deradicalisation can change this. So if you are immersed in an ideology it affects your cognitive abilities and it stops you from thinking. You don't question. When exposed to alternative ideas this changes the brain over time and you can retrain it to look like a 'normal' brain.

This is utterly fascinating in the context of affirmation only approaches, deliberately attempts to have no debate and trans echo chambers online.

I've posted about this at length on MN before so a quick search will bring up this research if you are genuinely interested in the concept of brains.

They may honestly believe it all their life.

But if you have a female who ends up with chronic issues around bone density and atrophy from their twenties and thirties and a dawning realisation that everyone else settled down, had kids and have their health and you are looking at disabling issues and being increasingly isolated, that's not really kind to have lied and affirmed unquestioningly. Or you do manage to have a family and realise that and the realistic issue that taking those drugs probably is going to be life limiting and likely to result in your life being shorter and you want that time and a decent quality of life.

And you start to realise that no one told you this properly because they were too busy affirming you and not giving you accurate information which we do know now because everyone was too bloody scared of TELLING THE TRUTH.

This is the problem. It is inescapable. We can't divorce our minds from our bodies! We can't suspend the reality of the consequences of taking these drugs. We can pretend all we like and force others to go along with it via emotional blackmail or coercion but it doesn't actually change anything.

We can have extreme cosmetic surgery but that doesn't change our bone structure. It doesn't change our chemical make up.

It is an extreme form of avoidant type behaviour. This is a type of anxiety. The treatment for this is not to enable this constantly precisely because this becomes disabling in its own right - being trans is a form of avoidant behaviour. So I do believe it's real but I don't think it's something that can not should be just gone along with because this causes harms.

No matter how much we would like to.

That means the parents who tell us we are harming their children by not being honest about this also have an issue and are frankly abusive / also have avoidant type behaviour because they are unwilling to support their child through this and admit that sex does matter. They are just kicking the can down the road to a later date when this realisation will kick in, in some form. It's better this comes earlier pre-medicalisation. That's the bottom line. There will always be something of a cliff edge where you realise that actually you will never actually be the opposite sex despite efforts.

I say this frequently. There is nothing more I would like to do than being able to wave a magic wand and people could change sex. But we can't. And it always comes back to this point where reality ultimately kicks it.

We should not be sacrificing women and women's rights to people who will still ultimately have this same issue where they can't actually be the opposite sex. It doesn't change this immovable 'wall of reality'.

He's sad he's not a female. I'm sure his invisible sister is just completely happy...

It's like gravity and Icarus. Icarus ignored the warnings and he knew better. And he ultimately fell to his death.

There is a whole cohort ignoring the reality of sex and telling us they know better and they won't be affected by reality. This is DENIAL . It is a LIE. We aren't being unkind saying this. We don't help anyone by pretending to the contrary. Indeed it's harmful to do this. We are trying to HELP and to SAVE young people from this inevitably. We ARE kind. It's just that what we are saying is difficult and not necessarily what they want to hear. Even if they persist in a trans identity they STILL will have to terms with this reality at some point or at some level. Because human relationships and reproduction or medical conditions and presentation don't change because you have an identity crisis.

It doesn't stop what we are saying being TRUE. And that's the ultimate problem.

It doesn't matter what the reasons are for any of it. We go back to being unable to divorce ourselves from our bodies. We might be able to divorce our personality from our presentation in terms of online identity or trying to pass to a certain extent but it's still a façade and it is a poor solution to a problem that can't fully be resolved.

To fail to admit this, is to fail children and to fail women and to fail gay people. (And this is why it's not the same as being gay either).

I didn't mention Christianity.

I was referring to the rage and hate speech directed at a child. It is completely unacceptable - and actually, it's not Christian. Certainly most Christians I know would not speak about a child that way.

Hate speech needs calling out. It's the precursor to, and enabler of, real-world violence.

There is no such thing as 'transgender ideology' btw. Trans people are individuals.

The girl in the article explained she knew who she was before she was even five years old - which is pretty common for trans kids, although most struggle to articulate until they're older. Anyone who genuinely believes someone else did that to her needs serious help.

If this was the case, dont you think it would have been discovered by now? Something should indicate that a glitch has happened.

There have been a few theories floating about for a while. One is where the hormone level is wrong in pregnancy and another where these boys and men have 'woman' structured brains.

But in all of the years where the medical profession has developed drug therapies and surgeries, they have never thought to find such a test. Do you think, maybe its because they aren't going to spend money trying to find something they know isnt going to be there?

A fun fact, when the woman brain theory was at its peak, lots of trans people said they wouldnt get scanned because they already know that they are trans, so don't need diagnosing.

Although I don't blame them, if I found out I had a male brain, id laugh and definitely not act all manly.

Oi oi. 'Designed' sounds dangerously creationist

Yeah. My bad (as they say. Ugh)
I can't match the literary skills here 🎓

Tyrannosaur or Sauropod? You may need to stock up on raw meat

Will chocolate buttons do? I think he'd kill for those at the mo.

OK, so let's say a man raped a woman. And let's say he raped her in the women's toilets. Now let's add in the man who raped the woman in the toilets was a man who declared himself to be a woman called Lucinda.

Your believe him when he says he is a women stood at the point he claimed he was a woman to gain access to the women only toilets.

Your believe him when he says he is a women stood at the point he claimed he was a woman in order to gain access to a women's toilet cubicle so he could jerk off at the sound of women going to the toilet.

Your believe him when he says he is a women stood at the point he claimed he was a woman and upon realising he was now on his own in the woman's toilets with just one other woman took the opportunity to drag that woman into a cubicle and rape her.

Your believe him when he says he is a women stood at the point he claimed he was a woman as he entered women only spaces for the 2 years he was on bail waiting to go to court in connection with the rape of a woman in the women's toilets.

Your believe him when he says he is a women stood at the point he claimed he was a woman all the way through the trial.

So why when he is convicted of the rape do you suddenly decide he's forfeited his right to be believed that he is who he says he is?

What if he was never arrested for the crime and therefore never got a conviction of rape? and instead he roams free being taken at his word that he's a woman by people like you as he leaves a trail of destruction in his wake.

If you knew he was a rapist but not a convicted rapist would you still play the he is what he says he is game?

Basically, at what point do you personally say "No mate, you're a bloody man"? Is it truly only at conviction?

Because my point of "No mate, you're a bloody man" is the first time some man attempts to gaslight me, not at the point of some court handing down a conviction.