Guardian: weaponised emotional blackmail from 14yo 'trans' athlete

You bet.
Had a little scout, it seems like the LGBPQRST orgs may be stepping back a little from the wilder creative gender lists. Here's a beautiful one from 2021.

web.archive.org/web/20211104041855/www.teenvogue.com/story/merriam-webster-cisgender-genderqueer-added-to-dictionary

You're going to love this.

Demiboy, demigirl, demigender: Someone who identifies as demigender identifies partially with one (or more) gender(s). For example, a demiguy or demiboy identifies partially as a boy/man/masculine, but not entirely. Demigender can be a subset of bigender or multigender, but does not have to be. A demigender person may identify as demifluid or demiflux. This indicates a part of one’s identity remains stable while the other part or parts are fluid. Often a demiflux person feels that the stable part of their identity is gender neutral or non-binary.

Edit: I can't get the link to format correctly but it would probably copy-paste.

What’s a demi-girl? Are there also demi-boys?

Exactly

Even if this is true (and there is no evidence that this is the case) all it would ever prove is that what it means to be male/female is broader than we thought from a brain imaging perspective.

Women are still the sex whose bodies develop on a pathway to make large gametes. Men are still the sex whose body's develop on a pathway to bags small gametes. Nothing actually changes.

You suggested their brain gets flooded with the wrong hormone causing a body/mind disconnect. In other words something happens to give them this so called female brain. And I disagree. I am saying we all simply have different likes and dislikes, prefer different stuff. But none of us has a "female" mind. Not women and not the small group of men who say they do.

Hi EvieBB, I hope you take this at face value, it's meant sincerely:
I really appreciate what you say in this post. It's very honest and open. That's not often the case in online discussions, and as we say in Irish: an rud is annamh, is iontach - what is rare is wonderful
I don't know where your opinion will 'settle', that's up to you, but I hope you find some of the posts here useful in your information-gathering.

Exactly, @thirdfiddle It all doesn't matter. Because mind-sex is irrelevant to all important topics. Only body-sex is relevant. It's so simple.

Mind-sex people would need their own services and provisions.

Oh wait. Isn't that we've avocated for here for years but has been deemed as insufficient by men who want validation and to use women not the facilities on offer.

Thought experiment. Supposing there was a test you could do, cheek swab say, that diagnosed brains into clear categories of 'mind-sex'. Let's say we did this for babies at birth and recorded their mind-sex on their birth certificates alongside their physical sex.

Would that change who should be in women's sports? No, the reasons for women's sports are bodies not minds.

Would it change who should be categorised as women in medical studies? No, that is about knowing what medicine to give to male or female bodies.

Would it be the appropriate categorisation in the teaching of biology? No, female people would still be the ones with ovaries and uteruses.

Would it be the appropriate category for prisons? No, people with penises can rape, can get people with uteruses pregnant, there is a strong safeguarding reason to keep female bodies and male bodies separate in prisons.

Would it be the appropriate category for changing rooms? No, people are less embarrassed getting undressed in front of others with the same body type to them, plus above note about the risks of penises.

So if there is mind-sex, so what? There is also physical sex and it matters.

[ohgod i actually ended up typing that dreadful phrase 'people with uteruses'. It was a thought experiment okay? I'm not proposing we use the phrase in the real world]

[why would we even call this new biological marker something to do with sex, rather than an interesting brain feature that influences people's personalities and interests, or a physical indicator associated with body dysmorphia disorders?]

Or being called homophobic.

I expect an apology for that gem. I wont get one.

Trans ideology is homophobic because if you can't see sex, homosexuality become invisible and loses all it's protections.

So I do believe it's real but I don't think it's something that can not should be just gone along with because this causes harms.

Absolutely agree Red.

We don't help anyone by pretending to the contrary. Indeed it's harmful to do this. We are trying to HELP and to SAVE young people from this inevitably. We ARE kind. It's just that what we are saying is difficult and not necessarily what they want to hear.

And this ^ the craziness of being accused of being horrible people when it is the women on this thread who are trying to protect our children. Madness.

No absolutely fucking not.

Because the parallel between being trans and gay is homophobic.

I have a material female body. I also have an extremely rare genetic disorder that means I only have one kidney. I wasn’t aware I only had one kidney until 2025 when it was not spotted in an ultrasound. It also causes more obvious problems completely unconnected to my kidney function, so I was completely blindsided when I found out.

Therefore I grew up assuming I had two kidneys - fortunately, my single kidney is amazing - just like a woman, doing the job of two organs. Arguably I identified as someone with two kidneys. That didn’t make me a two kidney person and there’s nothing I can do to change it. And people with one kidney have existed for thousands of years.

But nothing I can do will make me a two kidney person. I can’t put in a kidney shaped bit of fat from elsewhere on my body, just to feel like I have two kidneys. It would be an unnecessary surgery and I’d have to take drugs to stop it dying inside me. I could only have an actual kidney transplanted if my one kidney failed. And now I have to make sure I’m hydrated and not do martial arts (not a great loss).

i definitely felt like someone with two kidneys, but then I don’t know what it feels like for someone who does have two kidneys. And I feel the same now, so maybe I’m a two kidney-identifying person in the wrong body because I only have one kidney.

My experience has taught me that being unhappy with reality does not change reality. The challenge is not to remake the world around us until it matches our self-image, but to find a way to live within the limits of what is true.

*educated

What exists?

People who believe they are/should be the opposite sex? Sure, they exist.

People who actually are, in an ineffable mystical mental way, a different sex to their body? Who have something real in common with the opposite sex that others outside their own head would recognise as well? Something that makes the female half of humanity recognise themselves in a trans woman in a way we do with no other men, or the male half recognise themselves in a trans man?

Honesty, that's a reach. The whole trans thing only works if you just think about what it means from the perspective of the trans person. As soon as you try to fit that world view into the experiences and the variety and the diversity of people who actually are that sex and try to make it make sense as the same thing, the whole thing falls apart.

We're going round in circles lol
I'm so tired this evening....so I need to leave it for now....however when I get time I do intend to have a read of some of the more lengthy posts sent to me as I do find other people's perspectives on this topic v interesting and would like to become more educate. I appreciate I'm still in the early stages of thinking "just be kind" and am not fully understanding of the wider issues.

Do you think that whoever discredits trans people would stop doing it if it were proven that being trans is biological?

Transgender as it is currently defined is a recent thing.
The 'T' got added to LGB not so long ago - and without asking us LGBs first, I might add!
You wake up one morning and find that a whole other group of people that have little or nothing in common with you are now somehow stuck to you and they won't go away🙄

People like the mahu of Polynesia are men who live in a gender non-conforming way; which is not the same as claiming to actually be women.
'Third genders' are exactly that: not men claiming to be women or vice versa, but men and women operating outside gender stereotypes.
That's not the same as transgenderism, with slogans insisting that 'transwomen are women' and 'transmen are men'

The trans movement re-writes lesbian and gay history to invent a trans history - for instance the Stonewall Riots in New York in 1969, which were a key moment in the development of a lesbian and gay movement, have been 'co-opted' by claiming that the riots were instigated by trans people. Given that the term transgender didn't even exist in 1969, that's a bit of a push, but the Stonewall was a gay bar and the people who were there and resisted the police raid were lesbian women and gay men.

There's another infamous example, where a pro-trans slogan was photoshopped in 2023 onto a photo of the first lesbian and gay demonstration in Ireland which happened in the 1980s. Even more shocking was that the demonstration was in support of a gay man who was murdered in a homophobic attack. No respect, no shame, no historical accuracy.

Sure, but so have people who deeply believe that they themselves or that others speak to a god or gods, or do magic, or see the future or speak to the dead, believe in shamans and animal guides.... these beliefs also reoccur in different forms in cultures all over the world and throughout time. Is there any reason to believe "trans" people are a more a real phenomenon than these other types of yearning, wish fulfilling fantasy?

The Greeks said Athena was born fully formed from Zeus's forehead. Was that a gender bending myth reflecting the existence of trans people, or was it Patriachial wish fulfillment to claim the power of the female to give birth for men?

1. Please refer to my previous post(s)
2. It matters when people are discrediting those who are trans

1. Nobody knows whether it exists or not.
2. So what? It doesn't matter.

Because some people were saying it doesn't exist when it does (in rare cases).
That's all I was trying to say....

And that's fine. I like a mix of things also....prefer trousers over skirts but love makeup....I don't feel the need to choose one or the other set of stereotypes either. I'm not sure how that relates to my post though? I was simply answering the question posed by LeungLover.

I don't get it, @EvieBB . What does it matter if some trans people are "really trans"? By which I mean: what would it change if that were proven to be true? What do you think should happen, or be different?

I don't disagree at all with that....we only have to look at radicalised islamists to see the evidence.
....neither do I disagree that a rise in "trans" could possibly be due to this phenomenon (along with anorexia that I think you also mentioned) BUT I still feel that there are rare cases where someone is trans without any outside influence. It's my understanding that trans people have existed throughout human history and across all cultures

But women aren't born liking pink and glitter! I didn't play with dolls or prams or crafts. I wanted - and got - a train set and a toy farmyard. I liked card and board games and books. I didn't like boy's stuff like football. In other words I had my own likes and dislikes, which were part of my personality. I didn't need to choose one or the other set of stereotypes.