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Guardian: weaponised emotional blackmail from 14yo 'trans' athlete

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teawamutu · 17/06/2026 17:40

The Guardian's rearguard action on reality continues. Apparently the problem is not the parents and authorities who conspired to lie to this boy, coddle his delusions, disadvantage all girls around him in the service of his own wishful thinking etc etc etc: it's definitely the people who pointed it out:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/17/trans-athlete-no-one-should-face-vicious-attacks

I am prepared to feel a little sorry for the kid, who couldn't have been exposed like this if the useful idiots around him had done their fucking jobs. But the Grauniad can fuck off with the tired 'beee kiiiind' shit as a solution. Been there, binned the t-shirt. We want our shit back.

I’m a 14-year-old trans athlete. No one should face the vicious attacks I have faced | Lina Haaga

People understand gender differently, and I was taught to respect all ideas. But the vitriol I recently experienced was not a healthy debate

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/17/trans-athlete-no-one-should-face-vicious-attacks

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DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 20:17

EdithStourton · 17/06/2026 20:12

Transgirls are who they say they are.
Does that mean that Rachel Dolezal was in fact Black?
If not, why not?

Because skin colour is purely a matter of melanin. Gender is much more complex than that and involves hormones, brain chemistry, brain structure, and the intersection of all those things with psychology.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 17/06/2026 20:17

My eldest granddaughter insists she is a T-Rex - I guess I should be affirming this, and encouraging her to kill and eat smaller animals.

user1471538275 · 17/06/2026 20:17

Encouraging people to live in a fantasy land is cruel.

It's just about acceptable for small children, but once someone enters adolescence insisting that Santa and the Tooth fairy are real is a bit too much.

teawamutu · 17/06/2026 20:16

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 20:11

Well, if the anaconda is really a gerbil, it wouldn't eat its gerbil friends, would it?

And since we've crossed into the realm of talking animals, the other gerbils and the anaconda would get to know each other as individuals, and the gerbils would realise that the anaconda is, in fact, a gerbil, and they would feel sorry for it because they themselves would hate to have the body of an anaconda when they are really a gerbil. And there would be much more love and understanding in the world than there is now.

So you don't give a shit about the gerbils, as long as the anaconda gets what it wants.

My analogy grows ever more accurate. Keep it all coming, please 😁

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EdithStourton · 17/06/2026 20:15

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 20:14

You hate being referred to as a ciswoman, well, that's how transgirls and transwomen must feel when they're referred to as men.

But biological reality still stands.
Care to answer the question about Rachel Dolezal?

Soontobe60 · 17/06/2026 20:15

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 19:47

For as long as I can remember, I have known I am a girl. That certainty is as instinctive as knowing I am right-handed. It is difficult to explain to someone who has never been transgender or loved someone who is, but I have never lived this way to gain an advantage or take something from someone else. I live this way to honor what I know is true.

Transgirls are who they say they are. No one has the right to tell them who they are or aren't. She says she's a girl. Very obviously, her brain and body do not match up.

You might not like that they exist, you might deny their existence, but that doesn't make it true. Transgirls and transwomen do exist, and they just want to be left alone to live in their preferred gender in peace, same as us ciswomen. It must be hard when you were AMAB but are in fact female.

Don’t be silly. He is male. Most 4 year olds spend their time pretending to be dinosaurs, Disney princesses, or Transformers. We don’t encourage that belief because, as we all know, that’s just a fantasy. This boys parents should be charged with child abuse.

user1471538275 · 17/06/2026 20:14

As to 'we are who we say we are'

No we're not. We never have been and never will be. What a ridiculous idea that fantasy is reality - this is a developmental stage that children generally grow out of around 7.

I'm not 6 foot or size 6 even if I really want to be. I don't have blonde curls - I can fake them if I like, but it won't make them real.

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 20:14

EdithStourton · 17/06/2026 20:10

I am not a cis woman.
I am a woman.
I entirely reject the term cis - biological reality renders it redundant.

You hate being referred to as a ciswoman, well, that's how transgirls and transwomen must feel when they're referred to as men.

user1471538275 · 17/06/2026 20:12

Cheating boy wails about why 'its not fair' that he can't keep cheating, because he really really likes winning.

No sympathy at all. He's in this situation because his parents utterly failed him and his sister too.

All the howling and rending of shirts is just toddler tantrumming because you've said they can't play with the cooker.

@DumpyVictoria You're clearly a believer. I'm not. I have no time for spoiled children who have been told by their parents that they are so extra special that they can treat everyone else badly.

EdithStourton · 17/06/2026 20:12

Transgirls are who they say they are.
Does that mean that Rachel Dolezal was in fact Black?
If not, why not?

Lifelover16 · 17/06/2026 20:11

I wonder how the actual girls felt when he joined them in the female changing rooms and showers?

What an entitled little brat he sounds.

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 20:11

teawamutu · 17/06/2026 20:05

You're kidding. What do you think would happen to the little gerbil friends?

How do you think the gerbils would feel about being locked in a gerbil cage with an actual massive fucking anaconda?

On the remote chance that this isn't an expertly judged pisstake, thank you for your service in proving the point 😂

Well, if the anaconda is really a gerbil, it wouldn't eat its gerbil friends, would it?

And since we've crossed into the realm of talking animals, the other gerbils and the anaconda would get to know each other as individuals, and the gerbils would realise that the anaconda is, in fact, a gerbil, and they would feel sorry for it because they themselves would hate to have the body of an anaconda when they are really a gerbil. And there would be much more love and understanding in the world than there is now.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 17/06/2026 20:10

For as long as I can remember, I have known I am a girl. That certainty is as instinctive as knowing I am right-handed. It is difficult to explain to someone who has never been transgender or loved someone who is, but I have never lived this way to gain an advantage or take something from someone else. I live this way to honor what I know is true.

This is all rubbish, given he's 14 he gets some leeway for speaking rubbish but the adults who allowed him to believe this rubbish was true, don't.
You don't instinctively know your right-handed, nor did he just decide he was going to be right-handed, it became self evident when he started to learn to write.
It's also self evident he's a male, and therefore a boy, he also sounds jealous of his sister, because she is what he can't be. I hope she's not living in a toxic environment because she was unlucky enough to have pathetically useless parents. Another rich male kid has his parents wrapped around his finger and in his selfish way he's trying to steal his sisters life.

EdithStourton · 17/06/2026 20:10

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 19:56

"Cis" is in the Oxford English dictionary. You might not like the term, but it does exist and has a clear meaning, per the dictionary.

I am not a cis woman.
I am a woman.
I entirely reject the term cis - biological reality renders it redundant.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/06/2026 20:07

teawamutu · 17/06/2026 20:05

You're kidding. What do you think would happen to the little gerbil friends?

How do you think the gerbils would feel about being locked in a gerbil cage with an actual massive fucking anaconda?

On the remote chance that this isn't an expertly judged pisstake, thank you for your service in proving the point 😂

About the same as women locked in a prison with Isla Bryson, I imagine.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 17/06/2026 20:07

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 20:02

Just because you think so, doesn't make it true.

Human beings cannot change sex. There is NO medical and/or surgical treatment that can change someone’s sex. You can make a facsimile of a penis or vagina, but they will not work like a real penis or vagina. Real vaginas do not need douching to keep them clean, dilating to stop them healing up, and do not smell of faeces (when faux vaginas are made of colon, that smells).

A male skeleton will always look male, ditto a female one. Chromosomes do not change, nor does your DNA. There is no such thing as a female brain. Liking pink, frilly skirts, make up etc does not make you a woman. Wing biologically female is the only thing that makes one a woman.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/06/2026 20:06

There are other explanations that make infinitely more sense to me than male and female souls who get trapped in a wrong sex body, an explanation even trans rights activists don’t bother with now.

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 20:06

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 17/06/2026 20:03

That being the case, @DumpyVictoria, why do we need the qualifier of cis? Why don’t the tiny minority get the subset label?

Cis is only used really when discussing trans issues, to make clear which sex you were assigned at birth. Because it's relevant to your individual gender journey.

teawamutu · 17/06/2026 20:05

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 20:00

I'm talking your language! You came up with the anaconda/gerbil analogy, so...

You're kidding. What do you think would happen to the little gerbil friends?

How do you think the gerbils would feel about being locked in a gerbil cage with an actual massive fucking anaconda?

On the remote chance that this isn't an expertly judged pisstake, thank you for your service in proving the point 😂

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/06/2026 20:05

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 19:59

Or....you could believe that transfolk are who they say they are, and if you did, all the things you mention would make a lot more sense to you.

Denying their reality is a bit hateful, tbh.

But I don’t believe it. In this country I don’t have to.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 17/06/2026 20:03

That being the case, @DumpyVictoria, why do we need the qualifier of cis? Why don’t the tiny minority get the subset label?

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 20:02

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/06/2026 19:50

Whatevs 🤷‍♀️ they’re still boys, not girls.

Just because you think so, doesn't make it true.

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 20:01

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 17/06/2026 20:00

Cis seeks to redefine women as a subset of their biological class, @DumpyVictoria, and I refuse to be thus defined.

Not really a subset when ciswomen are the majority by far.

OttersOnAPlane · 17/06/2026 20:01

Transgirls are who they say they are. No one has the right to tell them who they are or aren't. She says she's a girl

No, they aren't. They are boys no matter what the say they are. Material reality doesn't contort itself to accommodate young lads with delusions.

Just as he can't identify his way into being 5 or 21 when he's 14, he can't think himself into being female.

Being male bodied means he has unfair advantages when competing against. Emma Hilton has written extensively explaining this.

Dress as you like. But keep out of women's sports when you are male. Even if your daddy is loaded.

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 20:00

teawamutu · 17/06/2026 19:57

Oh this is much better - sorry, genuinely thought you were serious on your first post! 😂

I'm talking your language! You came up with the anaconda/gerbil analogy, so...