Guardian: weaponised emotional blackmail from 14yo 'trans' athlete

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Well then trans women is the phrase we use to describe men who are pretending to be women. Not a thing, but it’s in the dictionary.

BTW as someone who worked on the Oxford English Dictionary, are you aware that it’s a usage dictionary? Yes it has definitions, but it is really a record of when words entered the language and how they have changed over time. It’s really a historical record rather than a definitive book on what words mean for ever and ever and ever.

Say something often enough and it will end up in the OED,

But if people are who they say they are then they are that thing no matter what they do. You can’t have it both ways.

It's genuinely interesting how transwomen are overrepresented in male-dominated careers like IT. Overrepresented to a quite frankly astronomical degree. The same is true of a lot of male-dominated hobbies too.

First, you misunderstand. I'm not suggesting trans people think their way into being the opposite sex, I am saying if you believe they genuinely are the opposite sex mind in the wrong body, you are saying the minds of the sexes are meaningfully different. You are accepting that some ways of thinking and feeling are right for a man or boy and others are right for a woman or girl. You are accepting boys and girls exist abd are different, but using the sexist construct of mental gender over the simple one of physical sex.

Secondly. So what is this FEELING?

Why does FEELING like your body ahould have been female override the reality that it is in fact male?

I'm 5'10. If I FEEL shorter than average, does that make me interchangeable with someone who is 5'1? Will her trousers fit my legs because I FEEL they should?

Can you see the problem here? You haven't really explained at all why your boy is actually a girl, or has anything in common with girls at all. You've just decided his FEELING that he is like them matters more than their reality that he is not.

Another question for you. Is a trans "girl" actually a girl - which unavoidably means you do accept there is a meaningful, defining difference in how "boys" think and how "girls" think, or is a trans girl a boy who believes he is a girl, so to be kind you are happy to pretend that is true?

No indeed, because it is part of the belief system that is gender ideology. It arises from a particular framing of the world. For those who don’t share these beliefs, it is a nonsense word and unnecessary.

Since they are criminals who are convicted of rape, they've forfeited their right to be believed that they are who they say they are.

You do know definitions in the dictionary can and do change over time and that dictionaries are as prone to being politicized as anything else.

Does this mean that when the only definition of a woman in the dictionary was “adult human female” that transwomen were actually men? Did they only become women when the dictionary updated its definitions?

You're not forced to go along with believing that trans women are women. For example, everyone must now use the loo and changing room that accords with their assigned-at-sex birth. No one's forcing you to use particular pronouns either.

So where should Trans women that are convicted rapists be locked up then?
i don't think you can really sustain the people are who they say they are argument can you?

Cis women are cis women because the dictionary says so. And as I said before, cis is really only used in the context of discussing gender identity issues. No need to use it in contexts outside that.

I’m not forced to go to church. I’m not forced to believe in a God I don’t believe in. I’m not forced not to work on Christmas Day or Easter if I work in industries that don’t close those days. And those days are not forced to be religious. My Muslim friend loves Christmas. Does the whole traditional thing.

Britain does not force me to follow Christianity, even if it may be set up to follow traditions relating to Christianity, which actually supplanted traditional religious customs that existed before Christianity arrived here.

Your religion tells me I must follow chosen pronouns that don’t conform to people’s actual sex. Your religion refuses to name women but says “people” who get pregnant, your religion says I have to fill in GOVERNMENT FORMS about whether a gender identity I don’t believe in conforms to the sex I was “assigned” at birth. Your religion tells me that a man in a dress, even if he does nothing else, is a woman if he says he is.

None of this is scientific fact. None of this is anything I believe in, yet I am forced to go along with it.

If that’s not a religion, what is it?

Hmm but you are playing with words.

You were asked about males (biological category) and replied about men.

For many trans activists this is a psychological, rather than a biological category (sounds like absolute bollocks to me) but I am repeatedly assured by those who believe in gender theory that it is a type of mind that makes a man or woman, and not their physical body and its reproductive category.

So until I understand what you mean by “men and women”, I suspect that it’s just word games to avoid discussing the harder reality.

No, there are people who believe they are someone else without any of the reincarnation stuff. When I was a kid, there was a man on our street who believed he was god, for example. Do you believe they are who they say they are or not?

Being trans is a belief and not a fact. No one can be the opposite sex therefore it’s a delusion and that is a mental illness. If you believe trans people are who they say they are why don’t you believe that my neighbour was god or that my nephew is a puppy? Neither are any more possible than a man being a woman.

But you think it’s fine for a male who is saving up for surgery to modify his body to appear feminine to be in there?

To be clear: Convicted rapists should not be locked up with female prisoners, in my view.

But you have carried it on so well. You made me laugh, love the idea of the anaconda in the gerbil enclosure. Does he get to wear gerbil ears? Also how does he run on the wheel? Are anaconda’s quite big?

Any ways I feel sorry for the kid in the story. No one should write the things online to anyone of any age which are cruel. However his parents should have helped him more at 4 to love himself as he is not want to change himself. He is a boy. He can be an effeminate boy, a boy who wears dresses, takes on female characteristics but he cannot become a girl.

I hope he is able to grow and live a good life and if he wants to live as a woman once an adult fine but understand women’s sports will not be his place.

DumpyVictoria

Interesting that trans girls and womwn are trans girls and women because they say so.
Yet women are cis women because you say so.

Its the same hypocritical BS as this "transgirl" just wants to live in peace yet he is taking over girl's sporting events.

There are lots of different types of girls and women. Cis, demi-girl, non-binary, and lots of others.

All I can think is that we're going to need a lot of new toilet spaces. A lot.

Well, you can't really take reincarnation out of it when the whole reason they believe they are X person is because of reincarnation.

While I would be very surprised if they are the reincarnation of Jesus/Napoleon etc., I can't rule it out completely. I cannot know for certain if reincarnation is real or not. Just like nobody can rule out the existence of God. Or gods.

Yes, I believe people can ne mentally ill enough to believe they are someone else. But that's not actually a belief. It's a fact that people can be mentally ill enough to do that.

Being trans is not a mental illness, though.

You do realise that Trans people aren't any different from anyone else right? They can be both criminals and Trans.

I don't know why it's so very hard to believe that sometimes the brain and the body don't match up.

Try consulting Professor Cordelia Fine, award-winning author of Testosterone Rex and Delusions Of Gender for exactly why that is utter bollocks.

Or Professor Lord Robert Winston, if you'd prefer.

The brain and the body cannot fail to "match up" because the brain is part of the body and influenced by everything that happens to the body.

We aren't brains walking in a meat suit.

By saying men who pretend to be women can be in women’s spaces, you break my boundary that says no man can be in a women’s single sex space.

Of course men shouldn't be in there.

It’s a mystery!

Okay, so taking reincarnation out of it, do you believe the people who believe they are Jesus and Napoleon right now in the flesh or is it only the opposite sex that you think people can feel their way into being?

Basically, do you accept that people can be mentally ill and that can lead to them genuinely feeling they’re something they’re not or not? If you do accept that what makes trans identities any different that believing you’re the queen of England or the Holy Ghost?