Guardian: weaponised emotional blackmail from 14yo 'trans' athlete

Not OK. And he's not a biological male. Having a penis doesn't necessarily mean you are a biological male.

Sorry?

Which biological females have a penis?

I'm afraid that's not how it works, you either believe it or you don't, there is no forfeiting. You can be a criminal and still be Trans.

You are so nearly there, what other human/male behaviours do you think trans women would have to exhibit for you not to believe them?

I have to go. Two last things:

One - an anaconda who genuinely thinks it's a gerbil would not eat other gerbils, unless they were a trans-gerbil cannibal. This is unlikely.

Two - the anaconda and the gerbil is NOT my analogy!

Since they are criminals who are convicted of rape, they've forfeited their right to be believed that they are who they say they are.

Not OK. And he's not a biological male. Having a penis doesn't necessarily mean you are a biological male.

<ticks 'but intersex' off the tra bingo card>

DSDs are: vanishingly rare; still only affect males or females, ie every human ever born.

Assuming, as we safely can, that this young man is a completely normal biological male, you think he shouldn't be supervising girls in the shower even if he claims to have ladyfeeelz in his head?

To answer your question of minds, well, there's a massive range, isn't there? You get women who are not stereotypically female at all, women who are, and everything in between, and the reverse is also true for cismen.

I suppose that a transwoman must feel themselves to be very stereotypically feminine. I wouldn't know, not being one. The trans women who stand out tend to be the ones dressed in miniskirts and heels etc. but I'm sure there must be transwomen who don't want to wear that stuff. It's very hard for me to say, not being inside their minds.

Cis women are cis women because the dictionary says so. And as I said before, cis is really only used in the context of discussing gender identity issues. No need to use it in contexts outside that.

I would believe the anaconda. I would get the anaconda an appropriately-sized gerbil wheel and some gerbil friends

You do realise the Anaconda would kill and eat the gerbils?

Similar situation, really.

Edited to say I should have read the entire thread.

But if that’s the case you’re implying you can become a woman by becoming a sexist stereotype. Not very feminist, is it? Or very logical.

It would be much more progressive to just be a man who likes stereotypically feminine things, no?

Cis women are cis women because the dictionary says so. And as I said before, cis is really only used in the context of discussing gender identity issues. No need to use it in contexts outside that.

Cis women are cis women because the dictionary says so. And as I said before, cis is really only used in the context of discussing gender identity issues. No need to use it in contexts outside that.

No, you wouldn't. To answer my question, all you need is a simple yes or no: is it ok that an intact biological male is hired to supervise young girls undressed and showering, because he has said some words?

Yes or no? Any obfuscation will be an answer in itself.

To answer your question of minds, well, there's a massive range, isn't there? You get women who are not stereotypically female at all, women who are, and everything in between, and the reverse is also true for cismen.

I suppose that a transwoman must feel themselves to be very stereotypically feminine. I wouldn't know, not being one. The trans women who stand out tend to be the ones dressed in miniskirts and heels etc. but I'm sure there must be transwomen who don't want to wear that stuff. It's very hard for me to say, not being inside their minds.

Poor girl. When will this hatred of transgirls subside? Hope she doesn't let it get to her too much.

First, you misunderstand. I'm not suggesting trans people think their way into being the opposite sex, I am saying if you believe they genuinely are the opposite sex mind in the wrong body, you are saying the minds of the sexes are meaningfully different. You are accepting that some ways of thinking and feeling are right for a man or boy and others are right for a woman or girl. You are accepting boys and girls exist abd are different, but using the sexist construct of mental gender over the simple one of physical sex.

Secondly. So what is this FEELING?

Why does FEELING like your body ahould have been female override the reality that it is in fact male?

I'm 5'10. If I FEEL shorter than average, does that make me interchangeable with someone who is 5'1? Will her trousers fit my legs because I FEEL they should?

Can you see the problem here? You haven't really explained at all why your boy is actually a girl, or has anything in common with girls at all. You've just decided his FEELING that he is like them matters more than their reality that he is not.

Another question for you. Is a trans "girl" actually a girl - which unavoidably means you do accept there is a meaningful, defining difference in how "boys" think and how "girls" think, or is a trans girl a boy who believes he is a girl, so to be kind you are happy to pretend that is true?

Since they are criminals who are convicted of rape, they've forfeited their right to be believed that they are who they say they are.

It's genuinely interesting how transwomen are overrepresented in male-dominated careers like IT. Overrepresented to a quite frankly astronomical degree. The same is true of a lot of male-dominated hobbies too.