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Guardian: weaponised emotional blackmail from 14yo 'trans' athlete

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teawamutu · 17/06/2026 17:40

The Guardian's rearguard action on reality continues. Apparently the problem is not the parents and authorities who conspired to lie to this boy, coddle his delusions, disadvantage all girls around him in the service of his own wishful thinking etc etc etc: it's definitely the people who pointed it out:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/17/trans-athlete-no-one-should-face-vicious-attacks

I am prepared to feel a little sorry for the kid, who couldn't have been exposed like this if the useful idiots around him had done their fucking jobs. But the Grauniad can fuck off with the tired 'beee kiiiind' shit as a solution. Been there, binned the t-shirt. We want our shit back.

I’m a 14-year-old trans athlete. No one should face the vicious attacks I have faced | Lina Haaga

People understand gender differently, and I was taught to respect all ideas. But the vitriol I recently experienced was not a healthy debate

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/17/trans-athlete-no-one-should-face-vicious-attacks

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Iamnotalemming · 17/06/2026 22:20

Loving your work @MyrtleLion 😂

Iamnotalemming · 17/06/2026 22:19

If a woman partially identifies as a woman (demigirling?) what about the rest of her?

Why can I hear Alan Bennett in my head saying "Margaret says she's a demigirl. But she has been drinking the demijohns this afternoon so who knows how she'll identify by the morning".

Menier · 17/06/2026 22:19

Gerbilconda
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

MyrtleLion · 17/06/2026 22:17

Iamnotalemming · 17/06/2026 21:53

Gosh this thread has taken a turn I didn't see coming. Is Beetle around? I'd love to see an anaconda on a gerbil wheel.

Also, what's a demigirl??

I found one.

Definitely a gerbil.

Guardian: weaponised emotional blackmail from 14yo 'trans' athlete
SabrinaThwaite · 17/06/2026 22:17

LeungLover · 17/06/2026 22:10

I think you’re only allowed to operate a soldering iron if you’re identifying as a Demiboy at the time. It’s far too masculine otherwise.

Do these people hear themselves?

I think I might be way past Demiboy and trending towards full on bloke.

If only I’d ignored my inner engineer and just stayed on the fainting couch being all womanly.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 17/06/2026 22:15

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 21:48

As I've said many times already, if the anaconda is really a gerbil, of course it wouldn't eat gerbils.

Firstly, how do you find out which it is? Give it the benefit of the doubt, put it in with the gerbils and see what happens?

That's very kind and open-minded validating for the gerbilconda, but a bit shit for the actual gerbils, no? They have nothing to gain here and everything to lose.

Even if gerbilconda isn't going to eat them, from the pov of the gerbils all they know is it hasn't eaten them yet. They are never going to fully relax again.

So really, whichever way it goes it's all a bit shitter for the gerbils than pre-anaconda.

Whereas for gerbilconda it's quite the opposite - if they are genuine they get the lovely validation of being with their gerbil peers. And if they are not genuine... well.

So really however it goes, and however genuine gerbilconda may ne, the gerbils are still getting a pretty clear message here about the relative value of gerbil interests and anaconda interests aren't they?

And finally...

Do you believe an anaconda could really be a gerbil on the inside? Not just for the purpose of this analogy, but as something that could actually happen? Maybe due to a surge of gerbilesque hormones mimicking gerbil development?

Or do you think that's ridiculous? Impossible? Laughable?

Yet you happily believe it's possible when it comes to humans being "really" the opposite sex on the inside. Hmm.

MyrtleLion · 17/06/2026 22:12

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 21:35

You're not forced to go along with believing that trans women are women. For example, everyone must now use the loo and changing room that accords with their assigned-at-sex birth. No one's forcing you to use particular pronouns either.

I literally filled in a government form TODAY that asked me whether my gender identity aligns with the sex I was assigned at birth.

Forced religion.

TheKeatingFive · 17/06/2026 22:11

SabrinaThwaite · 17/06/2026 22:08

I thought ‘girlflux’ might be something that women bought for their soldering irons.

😭

RufustheFactualReindeer · 17/06/2026 22:11

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 20:11

Well, if the anaconda is really a gerbil, it wouldn't eat its gerbil friends, would it?

And since we've crossed into the realm of talking animals, the other gerbils and the anaconda would get to know each other as individuals, and the gerbils would realise that the anaconda is, in fact, a gerbil, and they would feel sorry for it because they themselves would hate to have the body of an anaconda when they are really a gerbil. And there would be much more love and understanding in the world than there is now.

What are you on and where can i get some?

LeungLover · 17/06/2026 22:10

SabrinaThwaite · 17/06/2026 22:08

I thought ‘girlflux’ might be something that women bought for their soldering irons.

I think you’re only allowed to operate a soldering iron if you’re identifying as a Demiboy at the time. It’s far too masculine otherwise.

Do these people hear themselves?

SabrinaThwaite · 17/06/2026 22:08

TheKeatingFive · 17/06/2026 22:06

How anyone can spout this gibberish with a straight face ...

I'll never know

I thought ‘girlflux’ might be something that women bought for their soldering irons.

spannasaurus · 17/06/2026 22:07

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 21:58

Of course you can be a criminal and still be trans. But since this person has been convicted of rape, of course we wouldn't lock them up with female prisoners.

What if the transwoman was remanded to prison to await trial, so a suspected rapist but not a convicted one. Should they go to a male prison?

Pingponghavoc · 17/06/2026 22:06

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 22:00

Demigirl: Someone who partially identifies as a woman.

Demiboy: The masculine equivalent—someone who partially identifies as a man.

Demigender: The overarching umbrella term for any gender identity that has a partial connection to a specific gender.

Girlflux: A specific type of demigirl where the connection to femininity fluctuates or changes in intensity over time.

Did a four year old come up with that, too?

TheKeatingFive · 17/06/2026 22:06

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 22:00

Demigirl: Someone who partially identifies as a woman.

Demiboy: The masculine equivalent—someone who partially identifies as a man.

Demigender: The overarching umbrella term for any gender identity that has a partial connection to a specific gender.

Girlflux: A specific type of demigirl where the connection to femininity fluctuates or changes in intensity over time.

How anyone can spout this gibberish with a straight face ...

I'll never know

FrippEnos · 17/06/2026 22:05

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 21:55

I'm not forcing anything on anyone. I'm free to use whatever words I choose to. As are you. And I'm not offended. I just think that trans identities are real. You don't. They are just opinions, since none of us can know, if we are not a trans person ourselves.

Yes you are free to use whatever words you like, what makes you a hypocrite is that you believe that trans are trans because they say so, yet don't believe that women are women because they say so, if you did you wouldn't use "cis"

LeungLover · 17/06/2026 22:05

ReflectingPool · 17/06/2026 22:04

Don’t be silly. He is male. Most 4 year olds spend their time pretending to be dinosaurs. . . .

Thank goodness that's normal. I've been looking after a 2 year old dinosaur for a few days now and was beginning to get worried. Does some very convincing stomping.

My nephew is a puppy!

TheKeatingFive · 17/06/2026 22:04

It shows what we're up against. A wealthy, privileged family transed their child when he was a preschooler. He's cheating against his own sister and they don't care. They're cheering him on.

These people are never backing down, are they? And they have money and influence coming out of their ears.

ReflectingPool · 17/06/2026 22:04

Don’t be silly. He is male. Most 4 year olds spend their time pretending to be dinosaurs. . . .

Thank goodness that's normal. I've been looking after a 2 year old dinosaur for a few days now and was beginning to get worried. Does some very convincing stomping.

Menier · 17/06/2026 22:02

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 21:58

Of course you can be a criminal and still be trans. But since this person has been convicted of rape, of course we wouldn't lock them up with female prisoners.

This is bringing to my mind a picture of the two and ten pence waterfall style machines in amusement arcades. There is a ten pence precariously balanced out over the edge, supported only by other ten pences. You see coins go in time and again and you think surely it must drop now- but no!

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 22:00

Iamnotalemming · 17/06/2026 21:53

Gosh this thread has taken a turn I didn't see coming. Is Beetle around? I'd love to see an anaconda on a gerbil wheel.

Also, what's a demigirl??

Demigirl: Someone who partially identifies as a woman.

Demiboy: The masculine equivalent—someone who partially identifies as a man.

Demigender: The overarching umbrella term for any gender identity that has a partial connection to a specific gender.

Girlflux: A specific type of demigirl where the connection to femininity fluctuates or changes in intensity over time.

LeungLover · 17/06/2026 21:59

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 21:58

Of course you can be a criminal and still be trans. But since this person has been convicted of rape, of course we wouldn't lock them up with female prisoners.

But female prisoners who have sexually assaulted other women get put in women’s prisons. So, why, if you believe they are actually women, don’t you think they should be too?

SabrinaThwaite · 17/06/2026 21:59

MyAmpleSheep · 17/06/2026 21:55

Waitwhat? How else do you get one?

Maybe they give them out in boxes of cornflakes?

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 21:58

Menier · 17/06/2026 21:52

I'm afraid that's not how it works, you either believe it or you don't, there is no forfeiting. You can be a criminal and still be Trans.

You are so nearly there, what other human/male behaviours do you think trans women would have to exhibit for you not to believe them?

Of course you can be a criminal and still be trans. But since this person has been convicted of rape, of course we wouldn't lock them up with female prisoners.

LeungLover · 17/06/2026 21:57

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 21:55

I'm not forcing anything on anyone. I'm free to use whatever words I choose to. As are you. And I'm not offended. I just think that trans identities are real. You don't. They are just opinions, since none of us can know, if we are not a trans person ourselves.

But we can know you can’t change sex. We can know that women aren’t just stereotypes, and we do know there is no strong evidence that male and female brains are significantly different, so what does that leave?

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 21:55

FrippEnos · 17/06/2026 21:48

There is no point in using "cis" as women are not subsets of women,
By using "cis" you are forcing people to follow your belief in gender identity.

And once again in a slightly different way, you are offended that posters won't use your and this boy's chosen labels, Yet you force your choice of labels on others.

You are a hypocrite.

I'm not forcing anything on anyone. I'm free to use whatever words I choose to. As are you. And I'm not offended. I just think that trans identities are real. You don't. They are just opinions, since none of us can know, if we are not a trans person ourselves.

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