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Guardian: weaponised emotional blackmail from 14yo 'trans' athlete

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teawamutu · 17/06/2026 17:40

The Guardian's rearguard action on reality continues. Apparently the problem is not the parents and authorities who conspired to lie to this boy, coddle his delusions, disadvantage all girls around him in the service of his own wishful thinking etc etc etc: it's definitely the people who pointed it out:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/17/trans-athlete-no-one-should-face-vicious-attacks

I am prepared to feel a little sorry for the kid, who couldn't have been exposed like this if the useful idiots around him had done their fucking jobs. But the Grauniad can fuck off with the tired 'beee kiiiind' shit as a solution. Been there, binned the t-shirt. We want our shit back.

I’m a 14-year-old trans athlete. No one should face the vicious attacks I have faced | Lina Haaga

People understand gender differently, and I was taught to respect all ideas. But the vitriol I recently experienced was not a healthy debate

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/17/trans-athlete-no-one-should-face-vicious-attacks

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TheKeatingFive · 18/06/2026 09:29

SwirlyGates · 18/06/2026 09:27

Well there is Body Dysmorphic Disorder, affecting your acceptance of your physical appearance, such as your face (Mayo Clinic has a wider range of examples). The NHS lists it as a mental health condition, and suggests drugs and therapy.

Body Identity Integrity Disorder is more serious, and can involve a wish for amputation, but is also listed as a mental health disorder, with preferred treatments being drugs and therapy. Apparently, as well as the well-known limb aversion, this can indeed focus on toes or fingers. No internal organs are listed.

I agree body dismorphia exists. It is however a very serious and rare psychological disorder. It is not a metaphysical misalignment due to some sort of processing error.

NotBadConsidering · 18/06/2026 09:27

EvieBB · 18/06/2026 09:25

I obviously don't know much about this topic then.....I am just wanting to be kind and accepting but would never want to affirm anything as I realize that these things (for the vast majority) is just a phase or confusion and part of growing up for some ....but I do feel that there are genuine lifelong cases

But what is in the wrong body? What part of someone? If you think it’s possible for this to be lifelong for some people, what is in the wrong body for their lifetime?

SwirlyGates · 18/06/2026 09:27

TheKeatingFive · 18/06/2026 08:59

As for the 'born in the wrong body' discourse

Why is this only only ever presented as the brain (or 'soul') in opposition to the sex organs? What about all the other elements?

If the sex organs can be 'wrong', can anything else? Lungs? Kidneys? Big toe?

Well there is Body Dysmorphic Disorder, affecting your acceptance of your physical appearance, such as your face (Mayo Clinic has a wider range of examples). The NHS lists it as a mental health condition, and suggests drugs and therapy.

Body Identity Integrity Disorder is more serious, and can involve a wish for amputation, but is also listed as a mental health disorder, with preferred treatments being drugs and therapy. Apparently, as well as the well-known limb aversion, this can indeed focus on toes or fingers. No internal organs are listed.

nhs.uk

Body dysmorphic disorder (BDD)

NHS information and advice about body dysmorphic disorder (BDD or body dysmorphia), including what the symptoms are and what can help.

https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/body-dysmorphia/

teawamutu · 18/06/2026 09:27

EvieBB · 18/06/2026 09:22

I don't know. I don't need to know. But if somebody is distressed as FEEL that their brain is female and yet their body is male (or vice versa) then who am I to judge them? Have some empathy for the love of God please.

Not judging, and 'playing along with the pretence to the disadvantage of every girl or woman in his radius' are two very different things, wouldn't you agree?

No argument with the former, not prepared to do the latter. Girls and women matter too.

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TheKeatingFive · 18/06/2026 09:26

EvieBB · 18/06/2026 09:25

I obviously don't know much about this topic then.....I am just wanting to be kind and accepting but would never want to affirm anything as I realize that these things (for the vast majority) is just a phase or confusion and part of growing up for some ....but I do feel that there are genuine lifelong cases

You can't be 'accepting' of a boy as a girl without negatively impacting girls though.

TheKeatingFive · 18/06/2026 09:26

EvieBB · 18/06/2026 09:22

I don't know. I don't need to know. But if somebody is distressed as FEEL that their brain is female and yet their body is male (or vice versa) then who am I to judge them? Have some empathy for the love of God please.

It's not about 'judging'

Delusional thoughts are not a new thing for humans.

But we don't affirm these delusions. He's not a girl. He hasn't been born in the wrong body. He needs to accept his body as it is.

Just as we would say he isn't Napoleon, a dinosaur, an alien, etc, either

EvieBB · 18/06/2026 09:25

EdithStourton · 18/06/2026 09:01

I was of course suggest therapy to try to unpick things
@EvieBB if you suggested that you would be accused of being a bigot because you weren't immediately rushing to affirm the person's belief.

That's how it goes. I don't think you know all that much about this topic. Many of us began where you are, wanting to be kind, tolerant and accepting. We became aware of safeguarding issues, of vulnerable teenagers getting caught up in a group where they finally found friends and who drank the KoolAid to stay with them, of the undermining of women's sports, if the sexist BS that underlies all of this.

I obviously don't know much about this topic then.....I am just wanting to be kind and accepting but would never want to affirm anything as I realize that these things (for the vast majority) is just a phase or confusion and part of growing up for some ....but I do feel that there are genuine lifelong cases

teawamutu · 18/06/2026 09:25

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 18/06/2026 09:05

Jesus. The article literally says that trans people in sport is something that can be debated without personal abuse...and you're personally abusive to her.

To a child.

I've posted on here a lot about the very real, very sexualised abuse trans children suffer, especially at school, because of adults indulging in online dehumanisation and hate speech. It is destroying young lives.

'Coddle his delusions' is hate speech, yeah. It's ignorant transphobia.

Just say you're angry this article humanised her, and you're afraid of that.

Oh, hello. You showed up later than expected. The 'unhinged accusations about prurient interest in children's genitalia' square on my TRA bingo card will not remain empty much longer then.

FTR I have not personally abused this boy; I have in fact expressed some sympathy for him growing up surrounded by lies. Seethlaw's very eloquent perspective has really brought it home afresh to me.

However, I think enabling his entitlement did him no favours and he's going to have a very difficult life if he thinks everyone who doesn't give him what he wants/play along with his delusions hates him and wants him dead. People like you reinforcing that belief will be particularly unhelpful.

I'm not going to engage with you further because we've done this several times before.

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GreyskySexRealistsky · 18/06/2026 09:24

EvieBB · 18/06/2026 09:22

I don't know. I don't need to know. But if somebody is distressed as FEEL that their brain is female and yet their body is male (or vice versa) then who am I to judge them? Have some empathy for the love of God please.

I have empathy. That's why I want to understand. That's why I asked you.

EvieBB · 18/06/2026 09:22

GreyskySexRealistsky · 18/06/2026 09:01

I would like to explore these ^ questions further too, @EvieBB

Also: where is the "right" body? Where does that go?
How is the decision between right and wrong made?
How does the right/wrong process actually happen and at what stage of life? At conception? At birth?

I've always wondered about these things and I'm glad you're here to answer these questions.

I don't know. I don't need to know. But if somebody is distressed as FEEL that their brain is female and yet their body is male (or vice versa) then who am I to judge them? Have some empathy for the love of God please.

TheKeatingFive · 18/06/2026 09:21

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 18/06/2026 09:12

Her sister celebrated the win, because her sister's a decent person who can cope with normal human difference.

You're online being abusive to a child.

Making the boy that he can't change his sex is not abusive.

Scientific reality is not abusive. If you think it is, you need help.

TheKeatingFive · 18/06/2026 09:20

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 18/06/2026 09:12

Her sister celebrated the win, because her sister's a decent person who can cope with normal human difference.

You're online being abusive to a child.

Imagine being this poor girl. Knowing that she has to put her own feelings/ambitions aside to allow her entitled brother to enter into her sex class and beat her.

Denying the extraordinary misogyny of this is gross

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 18/06/2026 09:20

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 18/06/2026 09:12

Her sister celebrated the win, because her sister's a decent person who can cope with normal human difference.

You're online being abusive to a child.

His sister has been conditioned by her parents to accept her brother as her sister.

OttersOnAPlane · 18/06/2026 09:19

EvieBB · 18/06/2026 08:45

Absolutely!

2016 called. They'd like their scaremongering hyperbole back.

Because as the Tavistock themselves said, that sort of suicidal idiation simply didn't happen.

When a delusion persists in a child, you get them help to handle the delusion. You don't tell them they really can fly.

loislovesstewie · 18/06/2026 09:18

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 18/06/2026 09:05

Jesus. The article literally says that trans people in sport is something that can be debated without personal abuse...and you're personally abusive to her.

To a child.

I've posted on here a lot about the very real, very sexualised abuse trans children suffer, especially at school, because of adults indulging in online dehumanisation and hate speech. It is destroying young lives.

'Coddle his delusions' is hate speech, yeah. It's ignorant transphobia.

Just say you're angry this article humanised her, and you're afraid of that.

He's a boy. If he had been told in the beginning that he could wear what he wanted, have whatever interests he wanted, but wouldn't change sex no matter what he did, all of this could be avoided.Edited to add, and his sister has been brainwashed to defer to a male.

GreyskySexRealistsky · 18/06/2026 09:15

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 18/06/2026 09:10

Amazing comeback, well done.

Afraid of your complicity in harming trans children being called out huh.

Thanks. Just accurate, that's all. And not afraid of being "called out" (🙄) on anything.

Seethlaw · 18/06/2026 09:14

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 18/06/2026 09:10

Amazing comeback, well done.

Afraid of your complicity in harming trans children being called out huh.

Please explain how we, personally, are harming him. He's never gonna come on this forum, is he? So he's never gonna see these words. So how can they harm him? The sheer existence of people who think badly about us is not abuse, otherwise we're all being abused and abusive 24/7.

TheThirteenthFairy · 18/06/2026 09:13

DumpyVictoria · 17/06/2026 19:56

"Cis" is in the Oxford English dictionary. You might not like the term, but it does exist and has a clear meaning, per the dictionary.

I believe 'gerbil' is in the dictionary too, but that doesn't make us gerbils.

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 18/06/2026 09:12

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 18/06/2026 09:08

It humanised his sister who was robbed of her rightful win.

Her sister celebrated the win, because her sister's a decent person who can cope with normal human difference.

You're online being abusive to a child.

CamillaMcCauley · 18/06/2026 09:11

Elbreth · 18/06/2026 07:21

Wow, you're very confused. Do you think race does not intersect with psychology? Do you think race and skin colour are the same thing? Why are you reducing race to "melanin" for the sake of your argument? It is far more complex than that. Rachel Dolezal did not pretend to have darker skin than she does. She pretended to be a black woman. Race is a construct, like gender.
Skin colour is a biological fact, like sex.

The “race is just melanin” reasoning also seems to imply that if Rachael Dolezal just took melanin in the same way trans people take hormones, then she would, according to their reasoning, become black.

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 18/06/2026 09:10

GreyskySexRealistsky · 18/06/2026 09:07

He's a boy

Edited

Amazing comeback, well done.

Afraid of your complicity in harming trans children being called out huh.

NotBadConsidering · 18/06/2026 09:09

Coddle his delusions' is hate speech, yeah. It's ignorant transphobia.

Yeah, we get it, anything other than fully affirming his beliefs is “transphobia” 🙄 change the record, it’s boring. You can’t debate anything without screaming “transphobia” so you’re not one to complain about lack of “debate”.

Seethlaw · 18/06/2026 09:09

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 18/06/2026 09:05

Jesus. The article literally says that trans people in sport is something that can be debated without personal abuse...and you're personally abusive to her.

To a child.

I've posted on here a lot about the very real, very sexualised abuse trans children suffer, especially at school, because of adults indulging in online dehumanisation and hate speech. It is destroying young lives.

'Coddle his delusions' is hate speech, yeah. It's ignorant transphobia.

Just say you're angry this article humanised her, and you're afraid of that.

Saying that a boy is a boy is not in any way abusive, quite the contrary.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 18/06/2026 09:08

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 18/06/2026 09:05

Jesus. The article literally says that trans people in sport is something that can be debated without personal abuse...and you're personally abusive to her.

To a child.

I've posted on here a lot about the very real, very sexualised abuse trans children suffer, especially at school, because of adults indulging in online dehumanisation and hate speech. It is destroying young lives.

'Coddle his delusions' is hate speech, yeah. It's ignorant transphobia.

Just say you're angry this article humanised her, and you're afraid of that.

It humanised his sister who was robbed of her rightful win.

GreyskySexRealistsky · 18/06/2026 09:07

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 18/06/2026 09:05

Jesus. The article literally says that trans people in sport is something that can be debated without personal abuse...and you're personally abusive to her.

To a child.

I've posted on here a lot about the very real, very sexualised abuse trans children suffer, especially at school, because of adults indulging in online dehumanisation and hate speech. It is destroying young lives.

'Coddle his delusions' is hate speech, yeah. It's ignorant transphobia.

Just say you're angry this article humanised her, and you're afraid of that.

He's a boy