Has there been an influx of TRAs to Mumsnet recently?

IMO the TWs, the TRAs and TransParents are often useful on this board. Yes it’s tedious rehashing arguments and it feels like playing chess with pigeons but new comers to the issue won’t read back over all threads so I appreciate them providing an opportunity to make those arguments again for the new lurkers.

Those newcomers also get to see the aggression and lack of coherent arguments by the TRAs and the uncontrolled emotional blackmail by some of the trans parents. The latter is particularly useful on a parenting site like this because we’re all reminded good parenting means not giving into children's every demand as we read their cries of ‘you must all go along with my child’s delusion or you’ll make them sad’

Yes. Not really much more to be said.

The truth isn't hyperbole.

It just suits you to be believe that online transphobia doesn't enable the well-documented anti-trans violence in schools.

Just as it suits you to believe that those criticising the anti-trans rhetoric here aren't direct victims of that violence.

Trans people are not men's rights activists. They're overwhelmingly feminists, because they've experienced misogyny. Trans men and women are impacted daily by cis male violence, and live in fear of being attacked by them.

A desire to campaign for women's spaces is no justification for villainising a minority, making comments about their bodies, inventing deeply odd origin stories for them, and denying the extreme violence they experience. All behaviour I see daily on this forum.

I'm too emotional, right. Hmm now where I have I heard that my entire life - oh yeah, from abusive men. Perhaps I'm hysterical too? Don't I seem tired and should rest my poor little head?

Dear me, a woman really should stop being emotional and leave you all to discuss The Origins Of The Trans Species like grown-ups. And ignore that the fun you're having is helping destroy lives.

"Nobody wants an echo chamber, just reasonable debate"

And yet MN is, and nobody does.

IMO the TWs, the TRAs and TransParents are often useful on this board. Yes it’s tedious rehashing arguments and it feels like playing chess with pigeons but new comers to the issue won’t read back over all threads so I appreciate them providing an opportunity to make those arguments again for the new lurkers.

Those newcomers also get to see the aggression and lack of coherent arguments by the TRAs and the uncontrolled emotional blackmail by some of the trans parents. The latter is particularly useful on a parenting site like this because we’re all reminded good parenting means not giving into children's every demand as we read their cries of ‘you must all go along with my child’s delusion or you’ll make them sad’

The fact is that you have not made out a case to rest.

Helen Joyce describes the last bastion of this trans belief system will be parents,

The truth isn't hyperbole.

It just suits you to be believe that online transphobia doesn't enable the well-documented anti-trans violence in schools.

Just as it suits you to believe that those criticising the anti-trans rhetoric here aren't direct victims of that violence.

Trans people are not men's rights activists. They're overwhelmingly feminists, because they've experienced misogyny. Trans men and women are impacted daily by cis male violence, and live in fear of being attacked by them.

A desire to campaign for women's spaces is no justification for villainising a minority, making comments about their bodies, inventing deeply odd origin stories for them, and denying the extreme violence they experience. All behaviour I see daily on this forum.

I'm too emotional, right. Hmm now where I have I heard that my entire life - oh yeah, from abusive men. Perhaps I'm hysterical too? Don't I seem tired and should rest my poor little head?

Dear me, a woman really should stop being emotional and leave you all to discuss The Origins Of The Trans Species like grown-ups. And ignore that the fun you're having is helping destroy lives.

The truth isn't hyperbole.

It just suits you to be believe that online transphobia doesn't enable the well-documented anti-trans violence in schools.

Just as it suits you to believe that those criticising the anti-trans rhetoric here aren't direct victims of that violence.

Trans people are not men's rights activists. They're overwhelmingly feminists, because they've experienced misogyny. Trans men and women are impacted daily by cis male violence, and live in fear of being attacked by them.

A desire to campaign for women's spaces is no justification for villainising a minority, making comments about their bodies, inventing deeply odd origin stories for them, and denying the extreme violence they experience. All behaviour I see daily on this forum.

I'm too emotional, right. Hmm now where I have I heard that my entire life - oh yeah, from abusive men. Perhaps I'm hysterical too? Don't I seem tired and should rest my poor little head?

Dear me, a woman really should stop being emotional and leave you all to discuss The Origins Of The Trans Species like grown-ups. And ignore that the fun you're having is helping destroy lives.

The truth isn't hyperbole.

It just suits you to be believe that online transphobia doesn't enable the well-documented anti-trans violence in schools.

Just as it suits you to believe that those criticising the anti-trans rhetoric here aren't direct victims of that violence.

Trans people are not men's rights activists. They're overwhelmingly feminists, because they've experienced misogyny. Trans men and women are impacted daily by cis male violence, and live in fear of being attacked by them.

A desire to campaign for women's spaces is no justification for villainising a minority, making comments about their bodies, inventing deeply odd origin stories for them, and denying the extreme violence they experience. All behaviour I see daily on this forum.

I'm too emotional, right. Hmm now where I have I heard that my entire life - oh yeah, from abusive men. Perhaps I'm hysterical too? Don't I seem tired and should rest my poor little head?

Dear me, a woman really should stop being emotional and leave you all to discuss The Origins Of The Trans Species like grown-ups. And ignore that the fun you're having is helping destroy lives.

I'm.sure it suits you to believe that. I am absolutely the parent of a trans guy, annoyed at the ignorance I often see here, reporting the violent results of transphobia on my family.
I really don't care either way. I don't see ignorance here, on the contrary, there are a lot of well-read, intelligent, well-rounded people, who have done their research. What I read from you is a lot of hyperbole and not much in the way of facts. I really don't see how anything anyone writes here could possibly cause "violent results of transphobia" on your family. That's more of that hyperbole I mentioned.

Can't think why you wouldn't want me to be real.
I really don't need you to be real, that's fine. Be real, be not real, whichever suits you best. I don't care.

"Arrange your life around non-reality" is quite amusing from someone who dedicates so much time to obsessing about a minority.
I'm very concerned about women's rights. That's my only reason for being on this forum. Men are not a minority, as you've been told before.

I'm a carer who dips in and out of here. Find it too depressing to stay long.
Ok. You must be very tired. Perhaps you should limit your exposure to these threads if you find it too depressing.

Think I rest my case about all the paranoia and conspiracy theories.
Please do. The constant rehash of hyperbole and activist language is getting pretty dull. Thanks.

"Nobody wants an echo chamber, just reasonable debate"

And yet MN is, and nobody does.

I'm.sure it suits you to believe that. I am absolutely the parent of a trans guy, annoyed at the ignorance I often see here, reporting the violent results of transphobia on my family. Can't think why you wouldn't want me to be real.

"Arrange your life around non-reality" is quite amusing from someone who dedicates so much time to obsessing about a minority.

I'm a carer who dips in and out of here. Find it too depressing to stay long.

Think I rest my case about all the paranoia and conspiracy theories.

Nobody wants an echo chamber, just reasonable debate, and answers to some age old questions that have never been answered, such as 'what does living as a woman mean, without reference to hair, make up and spinny skirts'. And 'why does not buying into stereotypes of maleness mean you must be female'.

If someone could answer those questions, it'd be great, and a good starting point for a debate. Never happens though.

I genuinely don't understand why one side of the argument wants to keep this board an echo chamber. So much for free speech.

There are no brownie points for 'winning' the FWR board on Mumsnet. It achieves precisely nothing except confirming for you your own prejudices.

I'm.sure it suits you to believe that. I am absolutely the parent of a trans guy, annoyed at the ignorance I often see here, reporting the violent results of transphobia on my family. Can't think why you wouldn't want me to be real.

"Arrange your life around non-reality" is quite amusing from someone who dedicates so much time to obsessing about a minority.

I'm a carer who dips in and out of here. Find it too depressing to stay long.

Think I rest my case about all the paranoia and conspiracy theories.

I'm.sure it suits you to believe that. I am absolutely the parent of a trans guy, annoyed at the ignorance I often see here, reporting the violent results of transphobia on my family. Can't think why you wouldn't want me to be real.

"Arrange your life around non-reality" is quite amusing from someone who dedicates so much time to obsessing about a minority.

I'm a carer who dips in and out of here. Find it too depressing to stay long.

Think I rest my case about all the paranoia and conspiracy theories.

Yes, well, I have my doubts about the "parent." Anyone can claim to be anyone on here. Every post is 85% emotional blackmail/handwringing and 15% activist hyperbole. I suppose I should feel sorry for them, because they may not have anyone else to talk to, but I'm fresh out of sympathy now. This is what happens when you decide to arrange your entire life around non-reality.

I seem to remember a couple of transwomen, sorry, I've forgotten the names, who did come on and debate reasonably and it was interesting. But I'm pretty sure it was only two which was why they stand out.

And then the TRAs totally ignore Seethlaw, for obvious reasons. Even the alleged parent of a transman, who you'd think would be interested in that point of view.