Has there been an influx of TRAs to Mumsnet recently?

In my experience, people here have no problem with trans people who accept reality. It's the trans people who insist that TWAW and who want to insert transwomen into female single-sex spaces who are the problem.

It's the only healthy way to be a trans person. Accept that you are trans. You have a different history and experience. That's reality. I don't get why people think no trans people accept reality. Many do, including my trans daughter.

acknowledging that you are trans female not natal female and this is valid, but different, so there are some things you cannot do and some spaces you cannot use

I don't quite understand the rest of your post, but that part is great!

It was a real doozy.

I missed that! Damn :P

Men just need to stay out of women's stuff.
Most seem to manage it, to be fair.

What FWR has never fully got it's collective head around is that trans people are not a homogenous group.

People talk about teams people as 'performing feminity' in swirly skirts and makeup, as fetishistic, as described earlier in this thread. They also talk about big burly blokes in bad wigs and dresses. So trans people are wrong if they put in effort to pass, and wrong if they don't. My trans daughter mostly wears trousers and I have never seen her wear makeup. Does that mean she is poor at being trans? Not even making an effort? Or maybe had she been born female she'd have been a no make-up, trousers and sensible shoes kind of person?

Parents who have children who claim a trans identity are of course, according to many on FWR, to blame; they now have Munchausen by proxy (called FDIA for a number of years, btw) as well. Children are victims of this ideology who must be protected (no problem with that at all) but the moment those innocent victims turn 18 many of them suddenly somehow become perverts and sexual deviants. Parents are still to blame if their adult children decide to transition, even though this is entirely their choice, it is not illegal and parents cannot prevent it. Yet if you accept your youngster in their new identity you are harming them and pandering to them. Whereas if you hold the line and fracture your relationship with your young adult on the grounds that you will never accept they are trans, that isn't harmful too? Youngsters who have grown up being told that gender varies and they may have a different gender expression than their sexed body , told this in school by science teachers, find themselves rejected by their family and that's better for them than being accepting within parameters? Like my parameters: nothing irreversible including hormones until you have spoken to an expert in this area; and you can change your name etc of course, but acknowledging that you are trans female not natal female and this is valid, but different, so there are some things you cannot do and some spaces you cannot use, and I won't pretend you weren't a little boy once. And yet they are so much more relaxed and confident in their new identity. They aren't a different person. They are just happier. And I don't mean euphoric. I don't expect you to understand if you haven't had the experience of parenting a trans young person.

So, the 'Leave transgender women alone' thread has been hidden zapped already.

It does appear that the answer to the question in the OP is 'yes.'

Why can't men just use men's single sex spaces, no matter what their beliefs are?

Allies of those who call themselves 'trans' can campaign for men to 'be kind and inclusive' and to welcome them back to their correct sex spaces.

That will give them something constructive to do rather than come here trying to force women to say and do what they want (as men have done since the dawn of time).

In fact that's how you can tell if someone is a man - are they telling you what to do and how to do it? If so, probably a man.

Everyone who uses them knowingly consents to use mixed sex spaces seems to be why.

Trans women dont have the right in the U.K. to enter women’s single sex spaces.

why can’t they use a fourth space?

What is also relevant is that men don’t need to attack us for their presence in a female space to be harassment.

@TransParentlyAnnoyed No one needs to transition to attack us, they do it wherever they want and almost never prosecuted, let alone convicted.

Ah, that old chestnut. As you've been here a while I guess you've seen the stats that transwomen are more likely to commit sexual assault than other men.

That aside, whether their motivation for saying they are trans is in order to attack us is by-the-by. What is relevant is that (some of them) they do attack us. They attempt superficial replication of women (clothes, hair), but on the big stuff - behaviour - they are still men, and the fact they they commit any sexual assaults at all on strangers proves it, and so does the level of aggression they show. "Transitioned" or not, TiMs are men.

If you actually believe that, I kind of pity you.

It's basically an admission that you think no one would be a woman unless their motives were malicious. That's quite some misogyny, or internalised misogyny. Women are magnificent.

Trans women have lives. They go to work, attend parent's evening and make toast like everyone else - they just happen to do it while trans. The idea they're solely focused on 'invading spaces' when those spaces are public in the first place is beyond ridiculous.

No one needs to transition to attack us, they do it wherever they want and almost never prosecuted, let alone convicted.

Not sure which is more worse, really - treating a whole minority as video-game level 2D hive-minders, pretending trans guys don't exist, or your attitude to women.

Absolutely 💪

Trans activists are overwhelmly 99% Mens Rights Activists. Their whole entire goal, is to allow the male sex to enter female spaces. The female sex is impacted by male violence, regardless of how that male identifies, and live in fear of being attacked by them.

Males are 50% of the population. They are not a 'minority'. Any violence transwomen experience is no justification for villainising the vulnerable sex and removing our spaces. Male on male violence is no justification for putting males in dresses in female spaces.

The female sex are not human shields for males of any identity.

And, on that note, there are cubicles in male spaces that transwomen can use. HTH.

And the recent one called Jade has just posting a thread linking Rowling to nazis. It's probably the same poster back under another name.

I was thinking back the other day & realised that it’s over 10 years now since WEP were tweeting about Tara Hudson while touting for MN votes, which is where I started getting really involved.

MNers should be bloody proud of our reputation when it comes to standing up
for our sex-based rights.

Yes, it’s a great reputation!

Reputation? For telling the truth and not letting men shit all over women?

MN isn't terribly popular with MRA activists and wife bashers either.

Oh nooo, not the reputation!

Always highly amusing when posters say this board or MN has a reputation. We're not 13 years old. We don't care about our reputation!

There's a bit in it where a lady (I think it's the same one) contemplates for a nanosecond the possibility of whether she could be wrong over The Moonies. Her response is interesting.

Oh yes I saw that series yesterday - will give it a watch.

Raising my hand at another one that had this epiphany too, but in my early twenties at work. I did a science degree so not so many essays, it took a critique of my report writing skills to make me see the light. Nowadays if I see a wall of text response then I tend tothink not everyone finds your science as interesting as you do (at work) or what are you trying to hide (social media and here).

I find the most persuasive writers are able to express their ideas clearly and simply. Their readers don’t have to fight through thickets of lush prose to get to the point. However, this does rely on having a good point to make in the first place.