Rupert Lowe’s rape gang enquiry, report published

Most women on this thread are only engaging with Lowe due to this report. They’re not Lotus Eaters subscribers or incels who follow Andrew Tate.

You think it’s worthless, I have taken some of your points on board, as you know what you are talking about regards these people, but I still don’t think this report has no value. And I don’t think it was done for entirely cynical reasons either, rightly or wrongly I think he absolutely believes he’s doing the right thing, which is how he comes across to the ordinary people, who aren’t necessarily far right, who think he has something worthwhile to say and have grown jaded with Farage etc. To reiterate, I personally agree that Lowe and particularly many of his younger followers are extremists. Just like many of the young Green Party members wanting zero controls on immigration, abolish police and prisons etc.

It’s so slimy isn’t it! Offensively cowardly.

I'm annoyed you're asking me to comment on something I have had nothing to do with.

As someone who's being repeatedly accused of victim blaming, because I disagree with Sammy Woodhouse being a keynote speaker at a white supremacy conference, I'm all broken up about your feelings.

My reply to you was deleted. I take it that was because I used the F word. If that offended you I apologise.

I'm annoyed you're asking me to comment on something I have had nothing to do with. I do not follow Donna, I'm not on X if that's where this is going on. I don't condone any antisemitic comments.

I think it’s similar to KJK, she’s got agency, if Sammy thinks this alliance is going to advance her aims, it’s up to her. People have frequently tried to shut her up, most recently yesterday on Good Morning Britain, as I said.

I can agree with her on one thing and not others. I don’t support Restore as a party. This is all a bit purity spirally, people are allowed to support Sammy herself as a victim advocate and survivor without being accused of supporting white supremacists she has shared a platform with. I cannot stand being expected to performatively denounce people for who they choose to be platformed by, it’s guaranteed to get my back up, however much I think some of your concerns about Restore and Lowe’s associates are valid.

It’s down the list on the order of ‘priorities’.

The priority is children being sexually abused.

How many people have been raped or killed in the name of white supremacy since the Millennium? Maybe 3 or 4?

By comparison we have thousands of girls raped and 94 people murdered in the name of Islamic extremism and ‘culture differences’.

Priorities.

Too much victim blaming.

But will someone think of the optics 🙄

And yet I have zero doubt the denialists among you would’ve have no problem making the Roman Catholic link. None whatsoever.

Like others, I don’t see it as up to me which platforms Sammy Woodhouse takes up, and neither do I think she’s concerned about optics. She survived things most of us can’t imagine.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-46368991

The RCC is present in the UK, abuse happened here and was systematically covered up by the RCC here.

If you want another example: the BBC, Stoke Mandeville, and Broadmoor with Savile.

Why on earth is it relevant?
She was 14 when she was first raped in 1999. The violence and pain went on for years.
Why do you do you seek a reason to trivialise that now?

Totally agree with you 💯

Yes I agree with this. You’ve put it well.

I don’t think anything has undermined Sammy’s credibility

Bloody offensive to suggest someone is less credible because she is not, in your eyes, a perfect victim.

Is it ok for right wingers to be groomed or raped?

Perhaps her personal experiences have influenced her opinions, perhaps she would have had these views anyway; it doesn’t matter either way.

Maybe she’s there because these are the only people who will give her a voice.

How do we know she wouldn’t be at the Labour Party Conference if they’d platform her and allow her to speak honestly and openly about her experiences?

It’s irrelevant what her politics are and she is a brave woman. Trying to discredit the victims now is just as abhorrent as those who tried to discredit them in the past.

Looking forward to seeing how much traction this gets on FWR

Thank you for confirming that you don't have an ethical problem with neo-nazis and white supremacists.

I am not saying the women who gave evidence to Lowe's pseudo-inquiry were lying, and I would not say such a thing.
I'm saying that Lowe's organisation, which is riddled with neo-nazis and white supremacists, does not serve the interests of survivors.

So you read pages and pages of testimonies from raped girls and your first thought is, ‘who has been involved with producing this report, and do I like them?’

Bring yourself to acknowledge the link between the culture of these men and their crimes. Just once.

So @FernFaery says:

to you, racism is King and the mass rape of girls is an acceptable price to pay to feed the Anti-Racism crocodile.

This is how I know you're new to FWR. Because if you had been around here for a while, you might know that I've made myself rather unpopular with tribal leftists for mentioning rape coverups in the Socialist Workers Party, and specifically the fact that "Stand Up To Racism" (the SWP in a funny hat) receives generous financial support from the trade unions, and frequently has Labour and Green politicians appear on its platforms.

When I say Sammy Woodhouse being keynote speaker at a white nationalist conference does not serve the interests of the survivor community, that is precisely what I mean.

I am not saying the women who gave evidence to Lowe's pseudo-inquiry were lying, and I would not say such a thing.

I'm saying that Lowe's organisation, which is riddled with neo-nazis and white supremacists, does not serve the interests of survivors.

You, on the other hand, are quite happy to say that anyone who doesn't support Uncle Rupert is attacking survivors.

I see you.

You are on the FWR forum where women who know that only men have a penis are routinely called fascists/racists/white supremacists for knowing this fact so you'll have to get used to people not believing anyone who cries 'but he's a blah blah blah' over and over. It means nothing any more.

And I think Sammy can go where the fuck she wants, she doesn't answer to you.

Are the statements of girls/women in the report falsified, yes or no?