Rupert Lowe’s rape gang enquiry, report published

This woman's laughter is despicable. She is a political ghoul as much as anyone she criticises.

I've just RTFT and I think the above is a good summary of my views. In particular:

But again if all the people who should have acted had done so he wouldn’t have been able to politicise the scandal and I do think it was covered up because of the ethnicity of the perpetrators.

After what happened to Sammy and the others they can associate with who the fuck they want imho, and I certainly won't be casting the first stone.

I think anyone unmoved by the survivors stories would need to be made of stone.
However, its perfectly clear that Lowe's interest lies in the perpetrators, specifically their ethnicity and religion, as this, not care for victims of rape and pedophilia, is the purpose and thrust of the report.
This is why he chooses only to blame immigration and ignore the other social issues that compounded their victimhood, such as parental neglect and abuse, as illustrated by the harrowing account of the rapes of the child 'Chloe' by her uncle and mother's partner, in her own home, which led her to escape to the town centre where she was targeted.
Lowe is enraged by the fact that the rapists of white girls were Pakistani Muslim men.
I'm unaware of any care shown by him for women, working class children or rape survivors in general from which to conclude he cares as much if not more than "many on the left" about female victims of male atrocities against them.

I think it’s perfectly sensible to be interested in next steps, surely that’s the point?

I don’t think anyone thinks it’s right to gather all of this information and then do nothing with it.

It is helpful to actually look at the inquiry and address if/where it has limitations, because hopefully one with less of them would be more useful.

I remain convinced that an inquiry with a previously stated predetermined outcome, that doesn’t actually say what it’s intended to, and claims guesses are facts, does have limitations. Limitations that are unhelpful to the overall point of getting the victims help, and taking steps to make the changes that are needed.

Great post.

The whole point was to give the girls a platform which no government body was doing.

Rupert Lowe provided all the finance, along with crowdfunding to cover the costs of the inquiry, hence a privately funded inquiry will have some limitations due to costs.

So you have concerns about next steps???? How about, the government pick up the reigns and carry forward a serious investigation into why and how this was allowed to happen by the very people who were paid to protect vulnerable girls. Rupert Lowe cannot do this all by himself and our government seems to be resisting all efforts to do anything to help.

You may criticise all you like “SleeplessInWherever” but shutting down the only person who has actually done anything, and at great cost to himself I might add, including many death threats) is definitely not helpful.

How about getting on board and supporting victims instead of shooting the messenger?

I really can't say. I'm reading the thread in a somewhat ad hoc way and I haven't reported anyone.

The prohibition against the death penalty also means we're unable to deport many people because they would be executed in their own country. So a multiple rapist from Pakistan makes it to our shores and he now has indefinite leave to remain because the only country we could deport him to he would face a death sentence for his crimes.

So when Lowe talks about the death penalty, yes - he means re-introducing it here if the British public choose to do so; but he's also talking about it no longer being an "I Win" button for any immigrant who now gets to stay simply because of the crimes they committed back home.

Some people are calling it racist to notice the ethnic make-up of the grooming gangs. But a lot of the people of these countries think we're mad to accept some of the worst of their own.

I’m not a Lowebot. I don’t agree with Sammy’s political views but think the importance of the testimonies in this report are more important than right or left.

Do I think Rupert Lowe would have originally been as keen if the perpetrators had been England football fans rather than Pakistani males? No, I think he started this for divisive reasons.

But again if all the people who should have acted had done so he wouldn’t have been able to politicise the scandal and I do think it was covered up because of the ethnicity of the perpetrators.

I think Sammy has been radicalised. Maybe it was a reaction to the men themselves and those who enabled them and what she saw as their culture, maybe it was because the victims and those who tried to investigate were stymied by fear of racism.

Perhaps she turned to the right because no one else would listen or amplify her concerns.

I don’t like or support the platforms but rather than thinking that detracts from her message I can see why she is where she is.

Complaining about the company she keeps and suggesting it devalues her credibility is dangerously close to a purity test for a rape victim. (October 7th victims suffered the same way).

VAWG and sexual violence must be thoroughly investigated and condemned without being made into a political point scoring exercise.

A rape victim is no less credible or worthy because of the company they keep or their political views.

And yet calling someone a 'fascist supporter' as usual, is all fine.

Never ever goes the other way. People talking to the 'bad people' are never considered to move the 'bad people' to the left, it's always anyone 'aligning', 'appearing alongside', 'sharing a stage with' 'bad people' that must automatically become tainted forever as if they caught some sort of virus and can never have a thought of their own ever again.

I wish the apologists for Muslim brutality would fuck off

Did you make any references to other posters? If so, try again without that.

Yeah mine too. Guess our opinions still don’t fit the ‘narrative’.

I’m not Pakistani, a Muslim, or related to one. I’m from Middlesbrough, which was listed in the report, but have had no professional or personal involvement in the grooming gangs or the enquiry.

I am absolutely for inquiry, investigation and punishment. The testimonies in the inquiry are horrendous, and I have absolutely no doubt they’re true.

However I have concerns about this inquiry specifically, what its purpose is and how it’s been produced.

It doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. It states things as fact and then later confirms that they’re not, they’re guesswork. It sets itself up as evidence of failed integration and focuses on Muslim/Pakistani perpetrators but then in many areas either doesn’t confirm that the abusers were either of those things, or actually states white British involvement.

It has absolutely no victim focussed next steps, apart from continuing the inquiry.

I think that, without taking anything away from the harrowing accounts, cheapens the actual inquiry and its intentions.

Because of that I think it’s less inquiry and more party political broadcast, and that’s not good enough.

I’m glad there’s been a platform provided, but would have liked it to have been more genuine, and to have less ambiguity in the content other than the testimonies.

I would love to know why my non offensive, factual post comparing murder data between right wing extremists and Islamic extremists has been deleted?

If she’s being mischaracterised it’s because she’s characterised herself.

So, we all know that the crimes committed by these Pakistani Muslim rape gangs was so prolific In places like Rotherham, Bradford, Halifax etc that entire communities, including the police, council workers, care home employees were all knowledgeable of what was actually going on. I think it’s also been reported that many of the families, wives, daughters, sons, cousins of the perpetrators absolutely knew what was happening, but just went on with their days like it was just normal. So, my question is, how many of those family members are commenting on this platform? It seems to me that every single human being, regardless of race, should be screaming for justice for the child victims of Pakistani Muslim rape gangs. If you are not doing so, then why not? Those who knew and said nothing at the time and still try to protect perpetrators by waving around the race card should be looked at very closely indeed.

I've never even fucking heard of this bloke.

@SionnachRuadh is being mischaracterised here and that’s why she’s hitting back. She isn’t a left wing zombie type like many on MN. She does have valid concerns and political knowledge of the people involved. But this is getting personal on all sides.

But you’re smearing posters in return with ‘Lowebots’ etc

The other thing guaranteed to get my back up is when people suggest that I’m a Russian bot or a “Farage shill” (as some charmer put it) or something because they don’t agree with me. I realise you aren’t aiming that at me but several posters you’re arguing with are regular posters who don’t just post on the immigration threads. They’re not bots.

I’m not telling you off, I’m laying out my position. You are purity spiralling here. People are allowed to think it’s whataboutery and not relevant to whether the report should be read.

If you've read the exchanges on this thread and your main thought is that you need to tell me off, that's your judgment.

You know something of my background. You know that I will speak without fear or favour about abuse of women in different organisations or subsets of society.

You will not shame me into saying that Sammy Woodhouse consorting with literal fascists is no big deal. It undermines all the valuable advocacy she has done.

Nor will you shame me into taking a knee for the Lowebots who have smeared me on this thread.

You've been around a long time. You're better than that.