Rupert Lowe’s rape gang enquiry, report published

"If you're suggesting that white Brits don't do the kinds of things described in this report, I have a huge problem with what you're saying. I know that they do. Many, many girls and women who've been trafficked by white Brits know that they do."

There is absolutely no evidence of "white Brits" in their tens of thousands, running grooming gangs, targeting thousands of white underage girls, raping and abusing them, whilst being protected by the authorities. You obviously have some evidence of this, so please post the links.
Meanwhile, I have been married to a lovely woman from Iran for over thirty five years, she was not at all surprised that this was going on, because Iran has borders with Afghanistan and Pakistan and women and girls would never travel alone in those areas.
Males from that part of the World, have a very different view about behaviour to women and girls than males do in the West. You are obviously unaware of the 2015/16 New Year's eve sexual assaults in Cologne (and other German cities).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults

Labour MP Jess Phillips comparing the Cologne sex assaults to women being heckled in the UK.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-35440954

For people who read the Guardian it wouldn’t be surprising that they wouldn’t know about the NYE Cologne sexual assaults (a general point, not aimed at pp), given their disgraceful treatment of it.

Bring yourself to acknowledge the link between the culture of these men and their crimes. Just once.

If you're suggesting that white Brits don't do the kinds of things described in this report, I have a huge problem with what you're saying. I know that they do. Many, many girls and women who've been trafficked by white Brits know that they do.

I think it was good that the Pakistani rape gangs were separately investigated because the clan links are different and police and social workers should be aware and take them into account, though I wish other forms of trafficking and abuse were also investigated and taken seriously. I am very glad that these victims got to tell their stories because they're important. It's a huge problem and the UK needs to fix it.

But please keep in mind that the kinds of things described in the report are not uncommon for people who have been trafficked, regardless of whether the traffickers are Pakistani, British, Romanian, Indian, or whatever. Traffickers only care about the girls or women if it helps them make money. You are not human to them. You are a disgusting sex toy whose only value is in how much money you can bring the trafficker and, to a lesser extent, satisfy him sexually. (But many have fetishes, including sadism, and fetishes escalate. Think about what that means for the girls or women.)

At least when I was being trafficked (and when the women I knew who had been trafficked were trafficked), the police did not care, looked down on the girls/women and were often involved, again, regardless of the nationality or ethnicity of the trafficker.

I truly hope things are starting to change for all the women who are being abused or trafficked and I hope that all the victims of the Pakistani rape gangs find peace, hope, and justice.

"If you're suggesting that white Brits don't do the kinds of things described in this report, I have a huge problem with what you're saying. I know that they do. Many, many girls and women who've been trafficked by white Brits know that they do."

There is absolutely no evidence of "white Brits" in their tens of thousands, running grooming gangs, targeting thousands of white underage girls, raping and abusing them, whilst being protected by the authorities. You obviously have some evidence of this, so please post the links.
Meanwhile, I have been married to a lovely woman from Iran for over thirty five years, she was not at all surprised that this was going on, because Iran has borders with Afghanistan and Pakistan and women and girls would never travel alone in those areas.
Males from that part of the World, have a very different view about behaviour to women and girls than males do in the West. You are obviously unaware of the 2015/16 New Year's eve sexual assaults in Cologne (and other German cities).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults

And if someone said Zack Polanski hates Jews you would probably bring that up as a counter argument. Just as someone has brought up Rupert Lowe's Middle Eastern family to counter your accusations against him.

It seems to me that Lowe has compiled a valuable collection of women's testimony about their experiences and - also importantly - about the systemic failures to help them. And it also seems to me that some people are very aggrieved that their ideological opponent might have done something good and that the information might run counter to their ideology.

So be it.

Yes, there are people across the political spectrum who will take up the cases of victims because the crimes committed against them serve as examples to support an agenda/belief system. And this thread is about a report that exemplifies that.
Lowe wants a white Christian UK, and that, not the wefare of working class girls, is his motivating grievence.
I think we should be able to recognise that, and acknowledge when we feel that the input of an activist is unhelpful, in that it prevents any report from keeping women victims front and centre and overlooks other harms committed against them by other men who don't fit the narrative.
I also think it should be possible to put the obsession with left and right aside for a moment and look at this man and this report, to discuss whether his sole focus on immigration, and the resulting weakness of the report serves women well.
Yet any woman trying to do this on the thread is met with accusations of caring more about perpetrators than victims or dismissed as 'a bit silly' for doubting him because they disagree with his politics.
If this was left/right political, the smart move would be to join the chorus of praise for Lowe, given at the moment he is a huge asset to the left. But this is about the politics of sex and how women are abused and exploited by men, and how helpful we feel this report is to women.

Bring yourself to acknowledge the link between the culture of these men and their crimes. Just once.

If you're suggesting that white Brits don't do the kinds of things described in this report, I have a huge problem with what you're saying. I know that they do. Many, many girls and women who've been trafficked by white Brits know that they do.

I think it was good that the Pakistani rape gangs were separately investigated because the clan links are different and police and social workers should be aware and take them into account, though I wish other forms of trafficking and abuse were also investigated and taken seriously. I am very glad that these victims got to tell their stories because they're important. It's a huge problem and the UK needs to fix it.

But please keep in mind that the kinds of things described in the report are not uncommon for people who have been trafficked, regardless of whether the traffickers are Pakistani, British, Romanian, Indian, or whatever. Traffickers only care about the girls or women if it helps them make money. You are not human to them. You are a disgusting sex toy whose only value is in how much money you can bring the trafficker and, to a lesser extent, satisfy him sexually. (But many have fetishes, including sadism, and fetishes escalate. Think about what that means for the girls or women.)

At least when I was being trafficked (and when the women I knew who had been trafficked were trafficked), the police did not care, looked down on the girls/women and were often involved, again, regardless of the nationality or ethnicity of the trafficker.

I truly hope things are starting to change for all the women who are being abused or trafficked and I hope that all the victims of the Pakistani rape gangs find peace, hope, and justice.

Bring yourself to acknowledge the link between the culture of these men and their crimes. Just once.

If you're suggesting that white Brits don't do the kinds of things described in this report, I have a huge problem with what you're saying. I know that they do. Many, many girls and women who've been trafficked by white Brits know that they do.

I think it was good that the Pakistani rape gangs were separately investigated because the clan links are different and police and social workers should be aware and take them into account, though I wish other forms of trafficking and abuse were also investigated and taken seriously. I am very glad that these victims got to tell their stories because they're important. It's a huge problem and the UK needs to fix it.

But please keep in mind that the kinds of things described in the report are not uncommon for people who have been trafficked, regardless of whether the traffickers are Pakistani, British, Romanian, Indian, or whatever. Traffickers only care about the girls or women if it helps them make money. You are not human to them. You are a disgusting sex toy whose only value is in how much money you can bring the trafficker and, to a lesser extent, satisfy him sexually. (But many have fetishes, including sadism, and fetishes escalate. Think about what that means for the girls or women.)

At least when I was being trafficked (and when the women I knew who had been trafficked were trafficked), the police did not care, looked down on the girls/women and were often involved, again, regardless of the nationality or ethnicity of the trafficker.

I truly hope things are starting to change for all the women who are being abused or trafficked and I hope that all the victims of the Pakistani rape gangs find peace, hope, and justice.

And Zack Polanski is Jewish.

And?

I think most of us here realise Rupert Lowe has a political agenda. Don't all politicians! What we don't want is for that to be the focus here. A report has been produced with valid testimonies of the survivors of this horrific child abuse that should be heard.

There are at least 2 previous reports, well respected and full of recommendations. Yet there is still a real problem with our establishment in stating that the rape gangs of children were and are mainly committed by a Muslim Pakistani men.

As we saw in Dundee more recently, children are being criminalised still today with police taking the word of an adult male before that of a child. Even when that child is presented with cuts and bruises.

And Zack Polanski is Jewish.

Yes, there are people across the political spectrum who will take up the cases of victims because the crimes committed against them serve as examples to support an agenda/belief system. And this thread is about a report that exemplifies that.
Lowe wants a white Christian UK, and that, not the wefare of working class girls, is his motivating grievence.
I think we should be able to recognise that, and acknowledge when we feel that the input of an activist is unhelpful, in that it prevents any report from keeping women victims front and centre and overlooks other harms committed against them by other men who don't fit the narrative.
I also think it should be possible to put the obsession with left and right aside for a moment and look at this man and this report, to discuss whether his sole focus on immigration, and the resulting weakness of the report serves women well.
Yet any woman trying to do this on the thread is met with accusations of caring more about perpetrators than victims or dismissed as 'a bit silly' for doubting him because they disagree with his politics.
If this was left/right political, the smart move would be to join the chorus of praise for Lowe, given at the moment he is a huge asset to the left. But this is about the politics of sex and how women are abused and exploited by men, and how helpful we feel this report is to women.

Lowe wants a white Christian UK, and that, not the wefare of working class girls, is his motivating grievence.

His daughter in law is of Libyan descent.

Yes, so he’s “exploiting” the issue for political gains in the same way people do across the political spectrum on a whole range of issues, assisted suicide and Gaza being just two of those.

I am not saying the women who gave evidence to Lowe's pseudo-inquiry were lying, and I would not say such a thing.
I'm saying that Lowe's organisation, which is riddled with neo-nazis and white supremacists, does not serve the interests of survivors.

So you read pages and pages of testimonies from raped girls and your first thought is, ‘who has been involved with producing this report, and do I like them?’

Bring yourself to acknowledge the link between the culture of these men and their crimes. Just once.

I think anyone unmoved by the survivors stories would need to be made of stone.
However, its perfectly clear that Lowe's interest lies in the perpetrators, specifically their ethnicity and religion, as this, not care for victims of rape and pedophilia, is the purpose and thrust of the report.
This is why he chooses only to blame immigration and ignore the other social issues that compounded their victimhood, such as parental neglect and abuse, as illustrated by the harrowing account of the rapes of the child 'Chloe' by her uncle and mother's partner, in her own home, which led her to escape to the town centre where she was targeted.
Lowe is enraged by the fact that the rapists of white girls were Pakistani Muslim men.
I'm unaware of any care shown by him for women, working class children or rape survivors in general from which to conclude he cares as much if not more than "many on the left" about female victims of male atrocities against them.

Because the response to the reporting the below atrocities is 'I don't like the guy who arranged the report' and 'far-right'.

A baby was abused and had cigarettes stubbed out on it while the mother was forced to watch; the baby was then killed.
Girls were set on fire.
Girls were sent to “red rooms” to be tortured, some of them killed, some of it livestreamed.
One girl was raped by a dog while men bet on whether it would vaginally or anally rape her.
Girls were forced to have abortions with knitting needles.
Glass bottles, keys, baseball bats, and other objects were forced inside them, some shattering.
Girls were gang-raped by dozens of men at a time in “party houses.”
Girls were whipped, hung upside down, suffocated, and urinated on.
Girls as young as 5 or 6 were tied up and abused.
Girls were locked in dog cages.
Girls were branded with an “M” for Muhammad.Girls were threatened with being killed and fed to pigs.
Girls were mocked for wearing a crucifix during the rapes.