Rupert Lowe’s rape gang enquiry, report published

talking about the fact that Pakistani muslims are a minority of about 6% in the UK, yet some of the males from this demographic systematically raped, abused, terrorised and even killed vulnerable white girls-does not make someone racist.

It has been a saddening read, especially for the FWR board.

Sammy Woodhouse advocacy will NEVER be diminished by her talking to get the justice she deserves, whomever she may talk to.

How can some of you claim that her plight and experience should be put second behind "optics" or because RL etc etc etc?

Labour is losing women, Labour women don't see all women.

The mutliple rapists of Gisele Pelicot suggest otherwise. Vile men are everywhere, they have different victims and different methods of concealing their crimes but the hatred, contempt, and objectification of women and girls is the commonality

I very much doubt he has any say so as to who one of his sons has married, so having a daughter in law in Libyan descenct is neither here nor there as a means of signalling that he is or is not racist. My father was a racist, one of his brothers was married to a Jamacian women and my dad had to button his lip when they came round. He said nasty things when they had left but nothing to their faces.

I'm pleased you have that knowledge and fully undetstand how it brings you comfort.

Are The Guardian and BBC saying much or anything about all this?

Ik I could Google to see

Every print publication has haemorrhaged readers, the guardian is not unique in that regard and I'm not sure which paper is the largest loser (numbers or percentage). I think this change is largely a function of competing content being freely accessible online.

Exactly. See also: Wi Spa.

There are networks of pedophiles and rapists of every ethnicity, but to be able to summon 20-30 friends and relatives on short notice who also want to participate is pretty uniquely part of a very different culture.

There's a class hatred bubbling under the surface as well, white working class girls were ignored.

That thread was started on 5 January 2016, the same date as the article I found.

I read through the first ten pages of the thread and there was a single (unanswered) question whether the guardian had published an article in those 10 pages,I didn't notice any other reference to that paper.

Apologies because I'm obviously missing something but it's not jumping out at me.

The Guardian has lost a lot of credibility. They still report things but if it doesn't suit their agenda they will downplay it or skew their reporting. The Guardian has haemorrhaged readers.

That is awful, I am so sorry for what you had to go through. It is obvious that the authorities in this country do not use their resources correctly to deal with these horrific crimes.

No and they're probably dead at this point. That's a comfort to me.

Feel free to read the January 2016 thread I linked for a real time overview of it all. Or start a new thread and ask about it. I’m not indulging your disingenuous questions here.

I'm so sorry for what you've endured. Were the people who abused you ever prosecuted? Please don't feel pressured to answer though, only if you are comfortable discussing further.

There’s a part 2, but here’s a contemporaneous Cologne thread that probably some people reading were on - not going to be gaslighted about what happened and the woeful media response by people who don’t know what they’re talking about doing a 5 second google.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/in_the_news/2541548-Mass-sexual-assaults-in-Cologne-on-New-Years-Eve?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share

Sorry, I was unclear. This subject is very triggering for me. I was only referring to the type of rape and abuse, not the scale. The scale of the Pakistani grooming gangs is horrific.

I was trafficked from the time I was young. I've known many other trafficked women because I sought them out for support.

They stopped reading because they reported on them?

So you’re saying that their readers don’t read their publication? A novel interpretation of readers that…

It’s not just me who thought it, if you ask lots of women here why they stopped reading the Guardian, their treatment of the attacks in Cologne would be near the top of the list.

Genuine question, because I honestly do not know.

Are there any published policy documents re promoting immigration and multiculturism ?

Mate, I remember what happened at the time. I didn’t say they didn’t cover it at all.

It took less than 30s to turn up this https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/05/germany-crisis-cologne-new-years-eve-sex-attacks and there are many other articles on its website. So easy to disprove.

Yes, the msm including the Guardian and the BBC do everything they can to minimise and downplay anything that doesn't suit their agenda of promoting immigration and multiculturalism.

Clearly I wouldn't bring that up as a counter argument, would I, when my whole point is that a person's individual circumstances shouldn't be seen as some sort of guarantee of their attitudes? You can't decide in your own head what I'd say then use it to argue against me.
Either Lowe can't want a white Christian UK because his daughter in law is not British AND by the same token ZP can't be antisemitic because he's Jewish, or we allow that those things are irrelevant to both men's stances.
Anything else would be hypocrisy.