Rupert Lowe’s rape gang enquiry, report published

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Its not 'bananarama' to say I'm surprised (and disappointed!) about the way it's been written. I used to write documents for the Government. I was expecting better - more fool me, perhaps.

I hope it still gets traction such that some kind of justice gets done for these appalling crimes. 149 local authority areas affected, i believe it said. From coast to coast, not just 'the north'.

Its possible to hold both these thoughts simultaneously.

What did you think of the foreword and recommendations?

One of the parts I was most incensed by (if its possible to say that) was the police dismissing primary aged girls who had been raped, as 'child prostitutes'. There is no such thing. Giving kids money after you rape them doesn't somehow make it ok and that needs to be fully accepted and understood by the police.

Its not just race that's an issue here, its plain old misogyny.

I'm glad the grooming gang scandal is coming to light. Cover-ups just make people lose faith in the system. This has happened in dozens of towns and cities across the UK and those that want to push the multicultural agenda have done everything they can to sweep it under the carpet.

It won't wash any more.

So the victims aren't worth bothering with because their rapists weren't white? Is that really the position you're taking?

A war crime? No.

Did nobody else raise an eyebrow at the inquiry stating:

It has been previously established that, at the very least, 250,000 young white girls have been subjected to repeated rape, gang rape, trafficking, torture, pregnancy, forced Islamic conversion, and lifelong trauma.

And then later explaining that figure comes from “extrapolating nationally the Jay report on
Rotherham and other reports from Telford and Oxford, there appear to have been
upwards of 250,000…”

So it has in fact not been “established,” it’s been estimated?

I’m all for enquiry, establishing of fact, and consequences, but claiming something is a fact before explaining that it actually isn’t doesn’t fit that criteria IMO.

The enquiry also does very little to discuss the many, many other areas those girls were failed in. Many of them were abused in their own homes, often by stepfathers, which increased their vulnerability and propensity to being groomed.

That doesn’t excuse the overall behaviour of the grooming gangs, but is it also calling for the death penalty for the men in their households, and schools, who abused them?

I don’t believe it is.

I am astounding that on mumsnet there are only 45 posts! Our country is broken - this is a war crime. Please, please wake up to what has being done to our most vulnerable children. Minimising such depravity and pointing fingers at one of the only politicians to take action is quite frankly sickening.

All it does is give victims a voice. That's important and hopefully cathartic to the victims but without a rigorous examination of why several institutions failed them, history is doomed to repeat itself with fresh victims.

Because they don't understand anything.

Where on earth did I say I was blaming the victims? Have you read the victims account? It is a fact that in many many cases the victims had unstable home life or were in local authority care. This is a factor in how these men then groomed the children offering gifts and attention. Let me reiterate I place no blame whatsoever on any one of these victims. It is the perpetrators and the authorities who are to blame.

As we imported ourselves to countries like Pakistan, they must have become like us, no? Or maybe that's just racist bile.

@Yddraigoldragon This is probably worth putting in general Chat or similar - it's a UK issue, not just a 'Sex and Gender' discussion / issue.. Labour would like it tucked away here of course.

'But if you continue to focus on Rupert rather than the issue, you’ll quickly remove it’s intent'

Sadly I expect that is the aim of many people, some on this thread. Labour Party acolytes.

That view appears to be at odds with reports: share.google/dWDMDgBeOcgwY9qsN

I stopped reading as it felt like blatant propaganda. It is a shame as I feel there will be many more like me.

There are things I admire about Rupert Lowe. I agree about the problems around introducing an increasing number of people to this country, the key issue being that they’re often from troubled societies and without any education in what is or is not acceptable in UK life. I don’t agree with the more extreme policies, such as a sweeping death penalty, albeit I do think it could provide the ultimate deterrent if very carefully applied in cases of extreme wickedness.
I suggest that every one of the critiques above centres around a dislike of an individual rather than the worth of this report.
I’d recommend that all of you naysayers have a good look at your conscience. I particularly cannot believe the comment made by @mrshoho inferring that a dysfunction life held the blame.
Girls were mistreated in the worse possible way. That issue alone is worth the production of this report which I sincerely hope will change things for the future. But if you continue to focus on Rupert rather than the issue, you’ll quickly remove it’s intent.

'This should never be reduced to politics and shame on anyone that is doing that. It’s about accountability, justice, and ensuring that those responsible are held fully to account, while we do everything possible to protect vulnerable children going forward. These pigs do need the death penalty, so send them back to Pakistan and let them face their fate!'

I have to agree with you, especially about the people reducing this to politics and 'but Rupert Lowe'. Do fck off, the time for that has long gone.

The only thing ref deporting them is that some of them will have been born in the UK. They've also been given time, to end their Pakistani citizenship which means they can't be deported. Just another bit of shit the girls have thrown in their face.

No, the Roman Catholic Church/Church of England has been subject of separate inquiries. This report specifically deals with the thousands of children up and down the UK who are victims of mainly Muslim Pakistani men. We need to be able to say this in order to get to the root of rot.

Starmer was given information as CPS and chose not to proceed as the victims were not believable.
I utterly despise the man.
Are you going to look away because you dont like Lowe?

Excuse my language but I am so fucking sick of being called racist or far right for pointing out that 1+1=2.

And it's children and women that suffer for it, time and time again.

Pakistan is not a safe country for women. We are told not to travel there by our own government. It is the men there that make it unsafe for female travellers.

Then the gov imports these men and act like they aren't a danger on UK soil too!!

Do they think on the flight over these men have complete culture transplants? They come from a place where women are covered, bought and sold, there is no such thing as consent and any women showing her legs, arms or hair is a sex worker.

Then they see teenage girls dressing completely normally and see it as an invitation or a testimony to her being 'impure' or 'up for it'.

We see it time and time and time again.

https://x.com/RMXnews/status/1971532985007780252?s=20

THAT is the reality of these mens thoughts around sex and western women.

What truly matters here are the victims. Children—some as young as 11—were subjected to horrific abuse, suffered serious harm, and were failed by systems that should have protected them. The reality of what happened must be acknowledged, no matter how uncomfortable it is. vulnerable CHILDREN, as young as 11 who were given STD's and treated by the NHS and sent back into care - the truth is the truth!

This should never be reduced to politics and shame on anyone that is doing that. It’s about accountability, justice, and ensuring that those responsible are held fully to account, while we do everything possible to protect vulnerable children going forward. These pigs do need the death penalty, so send them back to Pakistan and let them face their fate!

It ignores all the organised abuse carried out by employees or officers of the RCC and CoE. It does not attempt to rigourously examine why several institutions failed these victims. It is as independent as a report written solely by the Communist Party of Britain.

Especially in Islam.