Rupert Lowe’s rape gang enquiry, report published

Some of the replies on this thread are astonishing!

Some of the girls had professionals watching out for them as they live in care homes.

Have you read Julie Bindel on this? She recognises that a common route to being abused was getting a boyfriend of the same age and him introducing the girls to their abusers. Often as basic as taking them to their house and leaving them there.

Lots of these girls knew it was wrong from the start of the abuse. The point is a lot asked for help at the time and were ignored. They werent girls would come, years later, to realise they were groomed.

Yes. You literally said who cares if they're ignoring the crimes of white men
I care, I imagine the victims of those men care. Children will not be protected if you only focus on the one area of society your political party has a problem with while ignoring the others.

Their testimonies are important and shouldn't be ignored but I think cherry picking which cases of child rape are important for his narrative is ignoring the other victims and missing out wider societal issues

Equally I would you ask you if the testimonies of the victims which were ignored by the report because their story didn't fit the narrative he wanted, do their voices not deserve to be heard just because their rapist was white and British?

Did you read my previous post at all.

Thank goodness some people are being heard. When people do evil things and destroy a person's life forever with a lifetime of trauma, why shouldn't there be a referendum on the death penalty. Why shouldn't people who are complicit in these evil acts get the same justice. I'm not saying I agree with it, but I do agree there should be a referendum on it.

We are evidently on the whole more bothered about offending and protecting the perpetrators and whether Lowe spoke the right sort of language, scrutinising his writing in the report than listening to the the victims. It's no wonder this country is in a mess. It's is shocking, absolutely shocking this is happening right now under people's noses by turning a blind eye and nothing is being done by the ones in power now

I'm not even making any left-right points. Anyone familiar with me on FWR knows I'm not shy about calling out tribal leftists who make excuses for the SWP (a group still heavily funded by the unions, and which can get Labour and Green politicians on its platforms with ease)

Go look at Donna Rachel on X. She's got expertise in this field, and she's made some sensible methodological criticism of the report. And she's very far from being a leftist.

Then look at her mentions, which are full of misogynistic and antisemitic abuse from Lowe cultists.

There were common patterns and factors which link these crimes. Do you also think the Catholic Church can’t be investigated for specific child abuse culture because “rapes happen everywhere”?

Why is that?

Do you think that means the testimonies of the victims, provided in the report, should be ignored?

This is a good point, as you say very few MPs would involve themselves with this issue or have (some of them who have are Labour, to give them due credit). Other MPs have made extraordinarily callous, dismissive statements in the past.

No shouting.

Because the same things that don't protect the children when the offender is an immigrant may well be the exact thing that also didn't protect the child where the offender was a white British man.
If you want to protect children from being raped by men, you need to look at all the areas where those protections need to be implemented. Not turn it into a story where you try to make out like it's only immigrants that are doing these crimes.
I imagine the children being raped don't care if the man committing these crimes is an immigrant or not. It is one type of crime committed by men, they need to look at it as a complete picture

Are you denying there is a link? Because it would seem clear that girls who don't have people watching out for them or who already have skewed boundaries due to abuse from a young age are more vulnerable to slipping through the cracks and being targeted.

That is an understatement !!
😥😥😥😥😥😥😥😥😥Those poor children.

Their suffering is, however, being used for political reasons. Say some.
No it isn't in this case because this Inquiry was held openly. Names have been given even if not made public.
The Labour Party Police and Social Services Departments tried to hush it up, belittle the victims and denied the extent of the crimes.
Now that really was done for POLITICAL PURPOSES and the coverup continues today.
Sammy Woodhouse suffered horribly, her account is on Wikipedia. (Which is independent). Read it then come back and trivialise or take cheap shots at those who are trying to ensure that it stops and is not repeated.
To all those complaining about Rupert Lowe ask why no other leading public figure took the job on. Anyone could have. Ed Davey could have stopped falling in the water and tried something serious. Jeremy Corbyn isn't very busy, Retired Judges or Admirals, Many could have, but they didn't only Rupert Lowe did.
If you are a victim You don't question the political affiliations of the Good Samaritan. You are just grateful that at least one person is willing to help and lend a sympathetic ear.

Have you quoted the right person?

Please could you point to where I said "they're not worthy of an inquiry", or anything along those lines?

I think you'll find I've said nothing of the sort.

They crowdfunded the best part of a million quid for this thing, and I don't know where the money was spent.

Regardless, I know that Rupert Lowe's slogan is "I don't care", but if he'd been willing to listen to some basic comms advice, I could have given him a few tips to make his report more credible. Nothing too fancy, just common sense tips like:

• Have some terms of reference, and maybe a research methodology.
• Get some experts involved. I know lawyers are expensive, but you've got enough money in the pot for one. Think about getting in a criminologist or statistician. PhD researchers can be surprisingly good value for money.
• Don't hand over the report to be written by Lotus Munchers podcasters and allow them to stuff it full of political rhetoric about capital punishment and the British Nationality Act 1948.
• Try to have at least one woman with editorial oversight.
• Get your report sense checked by an editor so it doesn't have absurdities like referring to girls being "trafficked across county lines", which just sounds like it was written by someone who's watched too many American TV dramas and doesn't know what county lines are in a UK context.
• Don't launch your political party five hours after you've concluded the inquiry hearings.
• Don't publish your report two days before a high-profile by-election.
• Don't allow your report to credit Tommy Robinson as a whistleblower.
• Maybe suggest to Sammy Woodhouse that it wasn't a great idea to travel to Portugal to be a star speaker at a conference full of open white nationalists, and organised by Martin Sellner, an Austrian neo-nazi permanently banned from the UK, who has also been photographed hobnobbing with Restore policy chief Harrison Pitt (the main author of the report).

Some very basic due diligence would have made this much less easy to dismiss.

I think attitude like this are people reassuring themselves that it couldn't happen to them or their children.

Im not an alcoholic and dont let my 12 year old out by herself, so we are safe.

"Following our extensive investigation we have concluded that the real problem is carbon-based lifeforms. Stop promoting hatred and division!"

Yes, I agree. But I actually think, more so, that the nation-wide scale of the gangs points to the nation-wide scale of corruption and men using state apparatus to rape and torture children.

Be filled with prejudice and hatred? Doesn't sound like peace to me. What action are you actually taking? Shouting at people on the internet?

I agree, as I and a pp said earlier, there could be no investigation into child abuse in the Catholic Church following the same logic and the report would just be one sentence “All men rape”.

This is exactly what my last post was talking about.

Who cares if they're ignoring the crimes of white men?

They have identified a set of crimes which did happen, and they identified some patterns between those crimes, and they have some proposals for dealing with this particular sort of crime.

They're not claiming to be studying every single possible type of crime.