Rupert Lowe’s rape gang enquiry, report published

i see there’s a thread in AIBU too https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5543280-5543280-aibu-to-ask-about-the-rape-gang-inquiry-report?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share

It absolutely should be for certain crimes.

I have skimmed the report and shocking it is. It lacks the balance and sobriety it needs if it is to be taken seriously. Rupert Lowe is a canny operator, rolling up his sleeves and being present in a way that makes Nigel Farage look like a showman. In this report, anti-immigration, anti-multi-cultural evidence has been gathered, paid for by the public, which he can now use to take votes from Reform and Labour.

The fact that the UK is in the dangerous position of the far and extreme right encroaching upon mainstream politics should shame Labour and the Conservatives, who by failing to act effectively in 2008, when it became clear that mass immigration from the Middle East and Africa, was coming to Europe, have facilitated the creation of a new political order.

Typo

Sorry. I was referring to conclusions.

Yes, notice that the recent conviction for the murder of Henry Novak was met with calls from the Sikh association for an enquiry into failures of the police in this case. Contrast this with Pakistani/Muslim associations who cry bigotry and victimhood at every opportunity rather than accept the rotten apples in their midst, particularly when it comes to extremism and rape gangs.

You specifically said the report said “nothing” about helping anybody. You weren’t being honest, were you? As I said, the content of the recommendations, whether they are sensible or not and that you disagree with most of them is not the point.

That is a daft comparison.

I think there are a few instances when making what most people consider an allegory of Adam and Eves descendants populating the earth (there is a lot of really weird stuff in Genesis).

The Bible explicitly forbids incest in a number of places, both in the laws laid down by Moses in the old testament, and Paul's letters rebuking the early church in the new testament.

No one could state that it forms an integral part of modern Christianity's prescribed beliefs or actions.

Wheras Mohammad is central to Islam and is, I believe, considered an example to follow.

It is very difficult to see how he is supposed to be the example to live up to , oh except not that bit.

Even if child rape is not explicitly encouraged/condoned by Islam, I don't think it's possible that that attitude towards girls doesn't bleed into the religion and culture. How could it not?

Exactly this

The thing that I’m struggling with, is that the report says that’s precisely where they got that number from.

The figure is specified as if it’s fact in the “Executive Summary” and then later, on page 12, explains where that estimate has been derived from, and that it is an estimate.

Which I feel like the people claiming it as fact would know, if they’d just read a little bit further. Or… read it.

It was a question really, I had no idea really who he was. Not really man of the people though is he. Yes I agree with Pakistani grooming gangs but they aren’t the only grooming gangs most are predominately white British males, some black African now Middle Eastern. This should not be highlighted as a racial the it is more of a man thing.

Every time I see that figure, I know where they got it from.

It was Malcolm Pearson in a House of Lords debate in 2019, taking 1400 identified victims in Rotherham and scaling that up to the national level.

But, even accounting for underreporting, most English towns (thankfully) are not Rotherham.

The Rupert Report takes the 250,000, and not only assumes it to be rigorously established fact, but says it's a bare minimum.

Any experts who have examined this say that, while the number is sure to be horrific, there simply isn't good enough data to make an estimate (and the fact that there isn't good data is a big part of the problem).

No you didn't. You replied with a post. But you did not answer my question.

I have nothing but sympathy and admiration for the victims of this scandal. Their bravery in giving testimony for this report, without the benefit of the support which would be offered as part of the official inquiry, is admirable.

Many posters here are yelling ‘why don’t you believe the victims?’ at posters questioning the motives of those commissioning the report.

As far as I can see, almost no posters are disbelieving the victims. What is totally objectionable in this discourse is that those of you supporting Rupert Lowe because he commissioned this report (using other people’s money) cannot see that the victims, and all of you supporting him, are being massively exploited for political and personal gain, by precisely the people you think are championing them.

Very rich white men on the right are not at all concerned about poor women and girls. It is clear in all their rhetoric, the proposals to disadvantage women through the tax system, plans to wreck the NHS and sell it their rich friends, the cosying up to other predatory men (apparently okay as long as they are white) and the willingness to exploit women like Sammy Woodhouse, who somehow found herself platformed at a fascist event, having been either conned or manipulated into it.

Those victims deserve better treatment than to be used in a dangerous political game by powerfully-backed, foreign-funded, fascist-leaning men who want to disrupt the usual checks and balances we have in our political system, and win power for its own sake and their personal gain, and then will turn on the very people they have exploited to get there. Anyone who believes that Restore or Reform have the best interests of the working people of this country at heart, and will work to improve their lives, needs to get off social media, start reading some history, look at the state of other countries which have fallen into the same trap and have a big think before they approach a ballot box again.

It’s not the victim testimonies which are being objected to. It’s the exploitation and manipulation by those seeking to gain from publishing them in this report, bookended as it is by propaganda.

Baroness Casey report just in case anyone would like to read.

www.gov.uk/government/speeches/baroness-caseys-audit-of-group-based-child-sexual-exploitation-and-abuse

The “250,000” figure is a guesstimate, based on nationalising the figures in a small group of LAs.

It’s not fact, and shouldn’t be said as if it is.

Whatever the number is, it’s that exact amount too many, but the 250,000 specifically is not proven.

Do you mean pages 159-163 ? Longer sentences, deportations, death sentence, deport connected families, close Islamic centers and visa bans. Special provisions for children giving evidence, no fear of being called racist, a Pakistan task force, compensation for victims, and promoting the extended family and family values.

And this line on page 163:

The state should not interfere with a family’s ability to protect itself from harm.

I never said I disagree with them.

What I do see is a report with a lot of dodgy figures and no evidence that these recommendations are what is needed.

I did; it's a shame it didn't satisfy you but there is no convention, rule or law to say that I must.

Yes, it is this clan-based child sexual exploitation that is specifically Pakistani-heritage men. They are usually all connected through family ties, uncles, brothers, cousins etc.

If we already have plenty of sexual predators in the UK, does it make sense to import more?

He was independently wealthy before entering politics, I don’t think his X income makes that much difference to him.
Whatever you can say about Lowe and there are many negatives it’s not fair to characterise him as a grifter.
Whatever the recommendations of the report offer should be taken seriously, 250000 girls abused is quite enough.

I don't give a bollock WHAT his motives are. It's a fact that he has done what no other politician from any political party was willing to do.

Give these victims a voice

Others (including two governments) had their chance to address this.
I'm more interested in THEIR motives for not doing so.

Yep a politician that meets the requirement won’t do it, they have too much to lose. They’ll use everything to de-platform and cover it up.

Hmm

a Communist or a Reform supporter

Interesting way of putting it. The only time I see those groups bracketed together is by Rupert Lowe fans on X who strongly believe that Nigel Farage is controlled by "International Zionism".

you have less sympathy for her because she is Right of Centre

I don't give a fuck whether she's right wing, left wing or Monster Raving Loony. I'm simply pointing out that lots of people who don't have the interests of grooming gang victims at heart would love to attack her credibility, and being a headline speaker at a white nationalist conference organised by notorious neo-nazi activist Martin Sellner is a gift to those people.

Prove me wrong.

Oh so they should have kept their mouths shut until the 'right' kind of politician wanted to hear from them, is that it? Which 'good' politicians were lining up to give these girls a voice?

Im so furious about this, I wish we had class action lawsuits because the police, social services, NHS and both Labour and Torys need to be landed with one.

@PollyNomial You still didn't answer, I'll remind you. You were very quick to tell us what white men think about white girls. What do muslim men think about muslim girls?

Whatever don’t answer it means I don’t have to for your silly verbal games either.

The typical attacks are there on this thread, some prefer a cover up.