Rupert Lowe’s rape gang enquiry, report published

Which party would protect working class white girls? And why didn’t they do the inquiry? Who should they vote for? Or would people prefer they just didn’t vote in case they vote incorrectly?

Lowe is using it as a political issue in the same way other politicians use other issues, like assisted suicide or climate change. That’s politics. I’m not sure what would constitute “good faith” engagement exactly? There is precious little good faith in evidence anywhere in politics.

There are some extremely rum characters in that organisation. Lots of people who were in Homeland or Patriotic Alternative very recently, and still can't stop themselves tweeting Hitler memes; a very strange cohort of autistic teenagers who like to tweet videos of themselves rambling about miscegenation. Steve Laws, who went on Andrew Gold's podcast to say that Andrew (a British Jew whose family have been in the country over 100 years) should be deported to Israel.

Lucy White, who's supposedly on the moderate wing, went to the Porto conference and posed for photos with Jared Taylor. Anyone dumb enough to pose for photos with Jared Taylor shouldn't be in politics.

And of course Carl Benjamin and the rest of the Swindon Topman Gang. If Lowe had listened to Farage, Nigel would probably have told him, "don't allow Carl to join your party, you'll just end up being asked questions about whether he wants to rape Jess Phillips and why he keeps saying the n-word on his streams".

Rupert, who I suspect doesn't know what's happening in his party, is happy to pose for photos with all of them.

Sammy Woodhouse, at her best, has been able to ally with politicians across the spectrum like Vera Baird (Labour) and Vicky Atkins (Tory). As I say, I think she's naive about the people she's now allied with, but the stink of fascism will make it a lot harder to win mainstream allies.

Most of us have read it through at least once, Some parts several times to understand one point or another. We are quoting directly from the report not from a secondary source.
There is also details of Sammy Woodhouse on Wikipedia. did you bother to read it.

Your inference that I am in any way making the equivalence you set out here is disgusting. It is very clear that I am saying no such thing. I think you should retract your comment.

My point is that this is not a good faith act by Lowe, and neither is his profession to stand for the poor and working classes of this country. I can see the scale of the betrayal people who vote for him and for Reform coming down the line. I am sorry if others won’t see it until it is too late.

It doesn’t sound like the pp has read the report.

What’s it got to do with anything? Someone upthread asked if the Taliban kept diligent records of sex attacks. I agreed they are unlikely to. So an Afghan working in the care sector (for example) would get a letter from the embassy but I’m not sure the data would be meaningful.

I am unsure if any of the rapists are doctors or nurses or care workers/social workers. Why wouldn’t they be? Rapists work in all areas.

On a separate point it is suggested that Police officers in the U.K. were however involved in these crimes and officials covered up the crimes. I have no idea who these people are or what their background is. But so many people in authority must have known and apparently some were involved. Has there been failures in vetting? Or systems? Or procedures? People mention clan loyalties, is this considered when people are recruited.

If crimes are dealt with locally in a foreign country then yes I do think local officials could be bribed and the crime not recorded correctly or removed from a centralised database. I like to believe every country has an accurate centralised data base accesible by officials but I am not naive enough to think all data about crimes are recorded accurately. Do I think a criminal could bribe a local officer to not record a crime? - in some countries I do think this could happen.

Do I think an embassy official is open to bribery? The FCA classes some embassy officials as PEPs meaning additional money laundering and bribery checks must be done on them (law and finance). I assume the people that write these letters are far lower ranking individuals not subject to these checks but my experience tells me yes Embassy and political figures are thought to be open to bribery. And would they have ‘clan loyalty’?

This website looks at how corrupt a countries officials are.

www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2025/

‘The CPI ranks 182 countries and territories worldwide by their perceived levels of public sector corruption. The results are given on a scale of 0 (highly corrupt) to 100 (very clean).

There are clearly concerns about public sector corruption. Is this index taken into consideration when employing people who need enhanced checks?

This Ghanaian embassy was committing Visa fraud in 2025 so yes I do think officials in Embassies can be corrupt.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdr56vl410go

(Sorry if this is derailing and thank you @SleeplessInWherever for taking time to discuss).

Do you mean the victims weren’t spoken with? Are you sure?

Agree with this.

I agree, @Snugglemonkey and I’ve been clear that I see the value of this is to put pressure on the government to conduct an appropriate inquiry themselves.

It’s easy when they use the daily mail as an authentic place to quote from as well as far right US nutters who know nothing about Great Britainyou know it’s rubbish

They still have not got it.

I'm not a Restore voter and I think it's obvious that one of Lowe's major motivation for publishing this report is political gain, to promote his anti-immigration party. I also think he's likely sincerely disgusted by what happened and it has formed part of his reasoning for being so anti-immigration. They're intertwined.

I also think there are many men who are viscerally disgusted by this and want to protect "their" (white) women from this. I think they are genuinely motivated by wanting to avoid it happening in future. It's also true that part of that visceral reaction is because they understand it as an attack on territory by an enemy; this isn't to say they would be okay with another white man raping white women, but the fact that it's a foreign enemy adds an extra visceral layer for them which is an attack on white British men, sort of mocking/spitting in their face. Both are true. They're intertwined.

I think we can acknowledge these competing motivations among men who champion this cause, but also acknowledge it's not really right to use the same term "exploited" to refer to being anally raped with glass bottles/knives/petrol etc, that we do for politicians who verbally describe the horrific acts in service of their own political ends. Like, the first is just objectively the actual heinous crime. The second is eyeroll-worthy perhaps, we can be a bit cynical about it, but it's not equivalent to being a gang rapist/torturer.

If? So you haven’t read it, but you’re super duper sure it’s all just rubbish.

100% this. It's so toxic and it's poisoning community relations.

Some muslims are calling it out which is good to see, eg Reform's Zia Yusuf, Spiked-online's Rakib Eshan and radio DJ Ali Miraj. They tend to be on the right of British politics.

I’ll defer to your knowledge of these Restore people, I don’t know who any of them are except the Lotus Eaters lot.

Well, until they put one of their own in the council or MP’s seat.

Look how Jess Philips acts now her majority can fit on the back of a postage stamp.

Yes to this

Naz Shah is awful, but that is what a lot of left wing people think, which is why Parody Owen Jones fooled her.

That's the crux of it.

One of the points made is that Labour see the Muslim Community as a resrvoir of votes. They do not want to constrict the flow by challenging that Community.

Same. It’s exhausting to see this keep being dismissed.

I think it's possible to sensible. The Owen Joneses and Ash Sarkars will say you're racist no matter how careful you are. Which means I don't tailor myself to what they might say.

I just think it's an own goal to ally with Lowe, whose organisation is full of people who really are blatant racists. Google someone like Steve Laws and ask if he's an asset to any cause.

Yes, they deserve an actual government enquiry with the power to compel testimony. Unfortunately, despite it being promised, that’s just not happening.

I’m sickened by the people who insist these girls should be disregarded again because the “right wing” are the only ones willing to stand for them.

@Plimfoot so sorry you are going through this.