Rupert Lowe’s rape gang enquiry, report published

I remember when you didn’t have to agree with every last little thing someone said to listen to what they had to say, but that was before everyone was a nazi.

Those poor women and girls. I can’t imagine going through all that and then the only politician that is willing to listen to you is from some tiny party no one has really heard of because it’s tumbleweed from the people who have the power to actually do something about it. It’s a disgrace on all levels. Blaming the women and their families for talking to the only people listening is really low.

From the report;

NextSteps
● Publish this Inquiry’s full witness statements.
● Seek out further witness statements so that more victims can tell their
story.
● Name within Parliament those found to have enabled the rape gangs.
● Continue initiating civil proceedings and private prosecutions where
appropriate.
● We have had more women come forward since our formal hearings took
place. Be in no doubt that we intend for our Rape Gang Inquiry to have a
long life well beyond the publication of this one report. It will be updated
as and when we learn more about the most horrific blight on our national
story. This is the initial phase of a larger mission to make sure that no
such avoidable atrocities can happen ever again.

I wonder how soon will the names of those who enabled the rape gangs be published? Very soon I hope! The NCA announced yesterday 8 police forces will be reopening closed cases. Lots of talk about how no stone will be left unturned and no one is put of reach of the law. Hope there is some very worried people right now. Was it just a coincidence that this announcement came the same day as the rape gang report was published?

If only they would stay on Reddit and not come onto Mumsnet ...

I think that’s because this thread is the busy one, not sure I’ve got the energy for both! On the AIBU thread people were talking about the victims rather than Lowe.

I suspect the Labour stans have other issues on their mind right now. See for example Hope Not Hate's Dan Hodges frantically bigging up Lowe.

You spent a long time construction an argument that doesn’t make any sense at all. Do you think you’re persuasive? You’re not? You make statements and prove poorly that they’re wrong but the statements you make are not common belief if you don’t understand what I’m saying that’s exactly how I felt after reading your post.

I haven’t seen many of those posters commenting on it.

The AIBU thread is pretty dead. Labour / left will still dismiss. Sadly

This thread is unbelievable. If people have read this report (which I assume they have to be on this thread) and more concerned about Lowe than child torture then what the hell has happened to peoples values and morals.

I am a floating voter but if the left wing parties continue the way they are I will NEVER vote for a left wing party again. In fact listening to left wing views on this matter has been eye opening if not downright depressing. These children have been let down by so many people and if defending them and being upset about what happened to them makes me a nasty far right person so be it. Maybe the right would prefer my vote and support going forward. Least they bloody did something about it!

After this thread I can totally understand why it was covered up and as I said upthread maybe some posters are the officials or families of the men involved? I can see why a thick skinned man like Lowe was the only type of person who would touch this matter. Fair play to him. I’d thank him and buy him a pint if I saw him.

Surely it’s racist to treat Pakistani Muslim Rapists as victims rather than perps. We would never say the same if a white rape gang raped children. I don’t remember anyone on here defending the men who raped Giselle Pellicot - I believe some of their defence was they thought she was in on it. They thought she had consented. Yet no one on here said oh poor French blokes maybe they were duped by Mr Pellicott. Happy to be corrected if I missed comments of this nature. I believed Giselle (quite rightly) and I believe the Raped children.

Tbh isn’t it racist to expect less from men because they are not of British heritage?
Do we think they the Rape gang men are incapable of knowing rape is wrong? Incapable of controlling their urges? They don’t understand right from wrong? Or do they just not understand the law?

Why do we expect less from some nationalities and allow the rapists to get away with this crime - THAT is surely racist!

I also think these rapists may well be conservative politically - they come from very conservative cultures, arranged marriage, lack of women’s rights, women in the home without freedom, very religious, they don’t agree with homosexuality. They don’t seem to be liberal ideals? They may vote Labour but it doesn’t mean they agree with Labours policies on Gay rights or equality for women. It may be Labour are just easier to manipulate and they will ignore the raping and torture in their constituency.

I don’t care if the gangs are black, white, conservative or liberal. Millionaires or peasants. They need locking up or sending back to their country of origin if dual nationals. They can face the punishment they were told would happen had they raped ‘back home’. If that is death - so be it.

At present we are known as a country that allows men from around the world to rape children and have the crimes covered up by professional’s. Are we attracting rape tourists from across the globe? The majority of rapists get away with it. I think that we need a government who is tough on serious crime and tbh that would have to be a Right Wing party looking at their policies.

I never expected such whataboutery for victims of rape on Mumsnet. It’s really depressing and there is a good chance some victims and their families are reading this. I really hope they get the justice they deserve.

It used to be similar to Reddit in people’s lack of understanding of the scope of the problem. Less mansplainy, but equally smug, incurious and self satisfied, obvs.

What I am glad about, is that there are far fewer uninformed comments handwaving it all away on MN nowadays, certainly not the case a few years back, as someone who has been discussing this issue for a decade here.

Has anyone claimed Rupert Lowe is impartial then? Missed that.

Especially the Americans whining on about Elon Musk. I guess it’s not surprising that they don’t have a clue about British politics. They seem to think Musk has personally invented it, or is spreading conspiracy theories that absolutely no one believes.

Perhaps the most obvious way of introducing bias even though all the evidence presented is real is to only choose to include the evidence that fits a particular narrative.

Reading Reddit and noting how shockingly uninformed the mansplainers are about the gang phenomenon.

No.

But I'd put money on men on the right also being abusers. Some of those in powerful positions may use that power to cover up their own crimes. And those of their friends.

Sickening as this is, abusers come from all sides of the political spectrum.

The case drew further attention after Aktuell Informiert reported that both the Frankfurt police and the district court concluded the man was in a state of “exceptional psychological distress.” As a result, neither pretrial detention nor psychiatric commitment was ordered. Instead, the man was released after being processed at the station.
Police confirmed that the suspect “must answer for his actions,” but it remains unclear whether charges will proceed. The police report did not categorically state whether or not the suspect had been charged.
When asked about the man’s nationality or whether he has since left Germany, Frankfurt police declined to comment, saying that such details are not included in press releases.

https://rmx.news/article/harassing-migrant-from-viral-video-resists-police-arrest-and-is-then-released-due-to-psychological-distress/

Fucking outrageous. 😡

One fun thing to watch will be whether Restore implodes now that all the right-wing micro-parties who hate Farage are merging into it.

I don't imagine that Ben Habib (half Pakistani), Calvin Robinson (half black) or Laurence Fox (married to a black woman) are going to go down well with the white nationalist wing.

And Lotus Eaters has always been kind of a grift anyway. 10 years from now, there's a good chance that the Islamist lads on 5 Pillars will be doing interviews with famed podcaster Mohammed al-Haroun (formerly Carl Benjamin)

Yep same in Leeds.

I also think some of these people seem odd bedfellows! I guess the Lotus Eaters, Elon Musk etc would latch onto any politician who would focus on the things they prioritise.

Yes, interesting. I think this was evident in the cover-up carried out by local councillors and politicians. If they were all linked by clan then it makes complete sense that they would seek to minimise, dismiss, destroy evidence etc. And I'm sure it extends to vote rigging, drug-dealing and other corrupt practices.

It's a real can of worms and something we've naively imported into our country.

It's the same in the South Yorkshire city I'm from. Few of them speak very much English. Most don't know the roads and have to be directed.

How can it be biased when the evidence it happened is there! There’s no bias about it.

You believe the root cause of gangs of men raping children is the children’s home life? Nothing at all to do with the gangs of men doing the raping?

Thanks, I always enjoy your descriptions!