Push and pull factors in transitioning

I don’t think it’s discordant for me to believe trans people exist and deserve protection while also thinking sexual predators shouldn’t expect their identify to be respected

Why do you call the women who was masturbating he?

Don't you believe Paula when she says she's a woman?

All I said is that it was a crime that belongs in the hands of the police. That person has a history of sexual offences so no I don’t think he should’ve been on a female ward.

Well done speaking to absolutely zero trans people, failing to read what they and their families have to say - and absorbing a lot of online propaganda.

Trans people are born, not made. They are a tiny minority.

Trans boys and men are more at risk when they transition. They experience more sexual harassment and abuse than before. It's incredibly ignorant of you not to know this - but unsurprising, I suppose.

Dear god seek help. Wasting your life explaining why a minority you don't belong to exists is not normal behaviour. Conspiracy theories are not people, life is not a computer game and malicious transphobia (which is what all of the above is) is not a public service.

Mary Whitehouse would've been proud of you, but Dr Science is running screaming from the building.

Sorry but what a crock of shite. Yes we know the various reasons that people claim a trans identity and pointing out the obvious dangers to women and girls of certain types isn't bigotry. The fact that TRAs resolutely refuse to discuss or acknowledge these types even exist is the big problem. How about the case of the transwoman masterbating in a hospital ward today? Care to have a discussion on how this person isn't a woman? How you can tell and how you'd exclude them from places where women and girls are vulnerable? You won't discuss it because you can't admit that being a transwoman is an entirely unfalsifiable belief and there is no way of legislating for this other than by self id and sod any negative consequences for women and girls.
I look forward to hearing your solution (which you will undoubtably ignore or answer a different question).

Your argument is that Paula should have been masturbating on a female ward.

(Yes, I know, backing away from a life devoted to reds-under-the-bed style conspiracy theories would leave your life quite empty, but try. It's worth it. Dear sweet Jesus on a paddleboard juggling pineapples, what a completely ignorant load of nonsense.)

Masturbation on a hospital ward is a criminal offence regardless of who does it. The solution is the police, who are exactly who handles anyone committing indecent exposure. Trying to use a single gross criminal act to justify pathologizing an entire group of normal, law-abiding people is the oldest bigoted trick in the book.

Sorry but what a crock of shite. Yes we know the various reasons that people claim a trans identity and pointing out the obvious dangers to women and girls of certain types isn't bigotry. The fact that TRAs resolutely refuse to discuss or acknowledge these types even exist is the big problem. How about the case of the transwoman masterbating in a hospital ward today? Care to have a discussion on how this person isn't a woman? How you can tell and how you'd exclude them from places where women and girls are vulnerable? You won't discuss it because you can't admit that being a transwoman is an entirely unfalsifiable belief and there is no way of legislating for this other than by self id and sod any negative consequences for women and girls.
I look forward to hearing your solution (which you will undoubtably ignore or answer a different question).

Sorry but what a crock of shite. Yes we know the various reasons that people claim a trans identity and pointing out the obvious dangers to women and girls of certain types isn't bigotry. The fact that TRAs resolutely refuse to discuss or acknowledge these types even exist is the big problem. How about the case of the transwoman masterbating in a hospital ward today? Care to have a discussion on how this person isn't a woman? How you can tell and how you'd exclude them from places where women and girls are vulnerable? You won't discuss it because you can't admit that being a transwoman is an entirely unfalsifiable belief and there is no way of legislating for this other than by self id and sod any negative consequences for women and girls.
I look forward to hearing your solution (which you will undoubtably ignore or answer a different question).

This is a remarkable amount of pseudoscientific jargon just to avoid treating trans people like complex human beings. People are complicated and don’t just fit into neat little boxes that completely affirm your worldview. I understand it makes you feel good but it’s completely patronising.

You could apply this 'theory' for any ideology including gender critical feminism:

Group 1 = mainly motivated by push factors.

Women & Men with gender insecurities/complexes
Women with internalised misandry
Men with internalised misogyny
Women & Men with conformist tendencies
Women & Men with victimhood complexes

Group 2 = mainly motivated by pull factors

People who think they can gain a personal advantage by exploiting trans bashing to gain political power.

People who think they can gain a personal advantage by seeking attention when they have lost relevance.

People who think they can gain a personal advantage by bashing trans people as a business model.

People who think they can gain a personal advantage by elevating themselves a la Suffragettes/Crusaders AKA hero complex.

If you want to play denial two can play.

People's motivations in making a change can be categorised into 'push' and 'pull' factors. 'Push' factors are your dissatisfaction with your current state. 'Pull' factors are the perceived advantages of another state.

I started thinking about the possible push and pull factors for people transitioning their gender. It made me realise that there are two distinct groups:

Group 1 = mainly motivated by push factors. i.e. they are unhappy with their sexed body. They include:

• Women/girls with internalised misogyny

• Gay people with internalised homophobia

• Non-genderconforming autistic people who have internalised sexist stereotypes as fact

• Survivors of abuse/trauma who are trying to protect themselves from future abuse/trauma

Group 2 = mainly motivated by pull factors. i.e. they are attracted to being/being perceived to be the opposite sex. They include:

• People who are sexually aroused by the idea of themselves being the opposite sex (AGP/AAP)

• People who think they can gain a personal advantage (sporting/competitive/sexual access) by claiming to be the opposite sex

Group 1 are mainly children and young adults, especially girls. They have gender dysphoria. Because they are trying to permanently and convincingly escape their sexed bodies, they are more likely to undergo medical modifications (surgery, artificial hormones). They have a diverse range of vulnerabilities as a result of their own personal life experiences and the prejudices of society

Group 2 are mainly adult men. We might say they have gender euphoria. Because they aren't trying to escape their sexed bodies they are unlikely to undergo medical modification, preferring temporary and superficial modifications such as clothes, make up, prosthetics, names and pronouns. The majority of the aggressive vocal TRAs come from this group

TRAs deliberately merge the two groups

They know they can utilise the sincerity, vulnerability and innocence of Group 1:
Trans appears in childhood - it must be innate!
Trans appears in childhood - it can't be sexually motivated!
Trans people have gender dysphoria - they're vulnerable!
Look at the lengths they'll go to (surgery, hormones) - they must be genuine!

But when it comes to the motivations of trans people, the TRAs suddenly switch track. They emphasise the pull factor acting on Group 2 ("wanting to be a wo/man") rather than the push factor acting on Group 1 (trying to escape your sexed body). Because any detailed discussion of just why someone might want to escape their body would raise awkward questions about whether wanting to transition is really a cause for celebration and affirmation.

I think it's very important we distinguish between the two groups when discussing objections to gender ideology. They are very different groups with different motivations and consequences. I think part of the reason so many trans allies are resistant to changing their opinions or even discussing the issue is because most of the trans people they know are Group 1s. They recognise these people's sincerity and vulnerability and have been duped by Group 2 TRAs into not examining the underlying push and pull factors of transition

Well done speaking to absolutely zero trans people, failing to read what they and their families have to say - and absorbing a lot of online propaganda.

Trans people are born, not made. They are a tiny minority.

Trans boys and men are more at risk when they transition. They experience more sexual harassment and abuse than before. It's incredibly ignorant of you not to know this - but unsurprising, I suppose.

Dear god seek help. Wasting your life explaining why a minority you don't belong to exists is not normal behaviour. Conspiracy theories are not people, life is not a computer game and malicious transphobia (which is what all of the above is) is not a public service.

Mary Whitehouse would've been proud of you, but Dr Science is running screaming from the building.