Former teacher guilty of sexually abusing and murdering baby boy he wanted to adopt - CPS

That is gay male couples.

I don't know the stats for single men. From memory I think the stats for lesbian couples is slightly lower than the 600 gay male couples but not hugely lower.

So, no support for adopters and adopted children, just more and more oversight. Many adopted children are terrified of social workers because they were the ones who took them away, first from birth family then from foster placement(s). And they would be right to be worried as these visits WOULD suggest they could be removed all over again. How are these children / adopters supposed to operate under the constant threat of removal?

Hi all, I’m sure someone has already shared but there is a petition (Preston’s Law) calling for adoption reform to better protect children.

I hope everyone here signs it. Thank you

www.change.org/p/introduce-preston-s-law-mandatory-safeguarding-for-every-adopted-child

I feel like I should channel my inner Shami Chakrabarti at this point and tut and admonish you all and say "venal child murdering sexual torturers of babies have rights TOO you know, and if you are pleased at this Victim Of Whatever being scared it's Every Bit As Bad as what he's done", which is surely what a high minded person such as the Baroness would say.

I could. But it's too hot.

It’s been reported that paedophile Jamie Varley is on suicide watch, meaning he’s being checked on every 15 minutes. This includes during the night, when prison guards have to shine a torch into the cell he’s being kept in. I wonder if they shout “Boo!” when they do so…

Karma bites already 🤣

That is precisely my view.

So these c.600 gay couples, are they all men or does it include lesbian couples? It is only gay male couples and single straight men who I believe pose a higher risk to children and shouldn't be allowed to adopt unless in very specific circumstances eg. they already know the child well and offer to adopt them.

But there is. This is a link to a journalist quoting from an article in The Telegraph which explains how focused the adoption agency was on targetting the LGBT+ community.

x.com/LPerrins/status/2069009712893276572?s=20

I don't see this as a gay vs straight issue.

I see it as a men vs women issue. I think the sexuality part clouds the real issue and that is that it is males regardless of sexuality that are the problem in the main.
(Accuse me of misandry, but please not homophobia because if you do you are missing the point entirely.)

Yes there's obviously been horrific cases involving women, but it's men who do things like this usually.

I understand that in cases where one of two men raising a child if one of them is the bio father that this has a protective effect.

(surrogacy has its own issues of course but that's not the point here).

We accept that stepfathers are more of a risk, why not 2 men who are not biologically related to the child?

This is under feminist chat, so hoping this is not seen as an 'out there' question.

Lesbians raising a child is not something I have an issue with as regards child safety.
In fact I sometimes wonder if a child is safer, as a general rule, with two women.
Please I do mean generally, I know there's exceptional cases.

I've mistakenly replied to @KatrinaWalensky . Sorry. I just don't want to type it all out again.

Just watched the vile scum lies, his true, evil bastard face is shown.
What’s really stuck me is the number of bruises on little Preston, he was regularly tortured from the very beginning. Truly shocking.

rest in peace little angel 🤍

If it were the case that there was a disproportionate focus on recruiting LGBT adopters that might be true but there’s no evidence that that’s the case.

There is a shortage of adopters generally across the board.

Remove 600 adopters a year from the pool and that shortage is going to be larger.

No,I know, lots of adopters don't want babies. But according to one of his colleagues JV was insistent he wanted a baby and not an older child.

But I can see why Preston's back story may have made him harder to place.

I can read the thread, thanks.

You may be surprised to discover yes www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-samsung-rvo1&source=android-browser&q=how+many+gay+adoptions+uk#lfId=ChxjMe

Are you saying that c.600 children each year are adopted by gay couples due to the lack of straight couples available to adopt those children?

Well, I guess if the agencies put as much effort into targeting other groups as they do targetting the LGBT+ community, they could maybe find alternative adopters for these children. Not saying LGBT+ people shouldn't adopt, but it is striking how the community has been the focus of so many agencies. I adopted 25 years ago and for a while there was a big push on single women but I don't think that's seen as a target group these days.

It’s pretty self explanatory surely?

If gay couples can’t adopt then the c600 children a year adopted by gay couples are going to end up in long term care instead.

Not all LGBT+ people want to adopt btw. Surrogacy is increasingly popular. But also, it is all part of a fertility rights issue in the LGBT+ community. Some people think that LGBT+ people should have increased access to adoption and Surrogacy as it is often the only way they can create a family. But others are vehemently against adoption, in this article a gay man describes adoption as "volunteering" and it's not good enough for him - he wants his own biological children.

So you can see how LGBT+ demands to have access to adoption and Surrogacy are becoming entrenched as rights

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/oct/01/how-gay-parenthood-through-surrogacy-became-a-battleground

I don't know what you mean, could you elaborate?

So hundreds of children a year end up spending an entire childhood in care, and you think that’s an acceptable outcome?

Pretty horrible and concerning that single men can buy a baby who will never even have a replacement mother.

This case has deeply affected me. I can't stop thinking about that beautiful little boy and what those evil bastards did to him.

There must have been so many good, decent couples who'd have given their right arms to adopt Preston and provide him with a happy, loving home. Instead they were handed over to 2 monsters. Well at least their DEI stats would have looked good.

in every video I've seen of Varley he comes across as immature, melodramatic, selfish, spiteful, obtuse, deceitful and manipulative. How the hell did those 2 get through the rigorous screaming process, or did they make special allowances for them because they were so desperate to allow a gay couple to adopt? It's blatantly obvious both were completely unsuitable to look after a child. During the screening they would have interviewed friends, relatives, colleagues. Surely they must have learnt about their characters and had doubts about their suitability. I heard that the couple moved in together on their first date. I mean if that doesn't show lack of impulse control what does?

I also find it impossible to believe friends and family of these monsters had no idea what was going on. Their mothers looked after Preston. Surely when changing his nappy, bathing him etc they'd have noticed injuries on his little body? Surely they'd have noticed the change in Preston's character and behaviour from when he first was placed. What kind of people are they to either not notice anything was wrong or to notice it but not report it?

I believe all children need a mother and that gay men or straight men shouldn't be allowed to adopt. If that offends woke liberals then so be it The interests of a child must always come before ideology. A child is dead because of woke ideology.

These two have recently been told they're facing more charges

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyp0336y6jo

Though they sourced children through surrogates (according to Wikipedia around seven). I don't know (obviously) if they abused their own kids. I suspect if SW were involved it's just as likely, as with Preston's murderers, their wealth and status was a shield to scrutiny.

Record numbers of single men buying babies from surrogates. Numbers are still relatively small. The only article I could find without a paywall was SPUC, so be warned

https://spuc.org.uk/increase-in-single-men-commissioning-babies-through-surrogacy/

There's probably a corresponding increase in single women having babies but they have resources not open to men and will be less likely to use a surrogate.

Thanks for this. Tbh it doesn't give any facts other than the research I quoted which suggests that LGBT+ parents do as well as anyone else. A few individuals make statements about being more open to difference but there is nothing to actually back it up.

I have to say that nearly everyone I know who adopted (and I know a lot of adopters) also took on "difficult to place" children eg sibling groups, older children, children with additional needs. And only a few of them are LGBT+.

I myself ( and husband) adopted a sibling group where the children were 2 and 3. Both have/had a lot of additional needs.

I actually can't think of anyone who adopted a baby.

I suspect that there is a belief in some quarters that LGBT+ people make particularly good adoptive parents and this has been accepted as fact when actually they are just like everyone else.