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Former teacher guilty of sexually abusing and murdering baby boy he wanted to adopt - CPS

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IwantToRetire · 15/06/2026 17:52

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A former teacher has been found guilty of sexually abusing and murdering a baby boy that he planned to adopt.

Jamie Varley, 37, was convicted at Preston Crown Court of murder, child cruelty, sexual offences and indecent images relating to 13-month-old Preston Davey.

John McGowan-Fazakerley, 32, was convicted of allowing the death of a child, child cruelty and sexual assault.

Varley was in the process of adopting baby Preston (also known as Elijah) with his partner McGowan-Fazakerley. Just four months after being placed with the couple, Preston was taken to Blackpool Victoria Hospital unconscious and in cardiac arrest. Sadly, Preston could not be saved.

Varley tried falsely claiming that Preston had accidentally drowned in a bath, but prosecutors were able to prove that his injuries were consistent with his airways being obstructed.

The evidence presented by the prosecution proved that in the final months of Preston’s life, he was routinely ill-treated, sexually abused and physically assaulted – suffering more than 40 separate injuries.

CPS statement continues at https://www.cps.gov.uk/north-west/news/former-teacher-guilty-sexually-abusing-and-murdering-baby-boy-he-wanted-adopt

More from a BBC report - also distressing:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyp77l79e9o

I thought there was a thread about this, but cant find one. But sorry if a duplicate.

I really only wanted to post out of respect for this poor baby and the horror of his short life.

RIP Flowers

Baby with curly light brown hair sitting in high chair. He has his finger in his mouth. He is wearing a baby grow with an elephant on it.

How adoptive parents' lies unravelled to reveal 'reign of terror'

Preston Davey died in hospital in July 2023 after months of sexual and physical abuse at the hands.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyp77l79e9o

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Arran2024 · 17/06/2026 16:32

ConveyancingHelll · 17/06/2026 16:17

You're reading of the law is wrong.

Regulation 25A governs the arrangements for early permanence/foster to adopt routes. 25A allows LAs to identify a prospective adopter for a child who will probably need to be adopted, but for whom a placement order has not yet been granted. This is most often newborn babies. The prospective adoptive parents are foster parent before the child is placed for adoption and are adoptive parents after the placement order is made. The idea is that a child gets continuity of care.

The more usual and traditional route of adoption takes place under the Adoption and Children Act 2002, section 25 of which says:

"25Parental responsibility
(1)This section applies while—
(a)a child is placed for adoption under section 19 or an adoption agency is authorised to place a child for adoption under that section, or
(b)a placement order is in force in respect of a child.
(2)Parental responsibility for the child is given to the agency concerned.
(3)While the child is placed with prospective adopters, parental responsibility is given to them.
(4)The agency may determine that the parental responsibility of any parent or guardian, or of prospective adopters, is to be restricted to the extent specified in the determination."

In other words - from the moment a child is placed with adoptive parents, those adoptive parents hold parental responsibility, shared with the local authority before the adoption order is made. Adoptive parents are not foster carers or subject to the same rules as foster carers in that scenario.

"Restricted" is important here. There are rules around what you can and can't do after placement. You can't decide to home school for example. You probably can't go abroad.

ConveyancingHelll · 17/06/2026 16:28

logiccalls · 17/06/2026 14:29

Actually in the Preston case the photo was put on a site for gay men to choose. And there was a perfect, and eager, adopter who knew and loved him dearly: His own grandmother: She was already happily bringing up his sister, and they both were counting the days till he could join them.

But an unfortunate coincidence meant that grandmother's masectomy and then her follow-up cancer treatment coincided with his birth, and his first months. Her surgeons would not permit her to lift a baby, until she got her 'all clear' and recovered her strength.

She was almost at that point, when social workers swooped on the foster mother, refusing to allow her to keep Preston for just another couple of months, which was all the surgeon had asked, before baby could join his sister in care of his grandmother.

Grandmother and foster mother did not live far apart and were in close contact, which they had agreed to continue, so the break from one carer to the next would be a gentle transition for him.

He was not a deep sleeper, (pre-natal damage?) but apart from that, was not at all a 'problem' for the foster mother. Nor likely to be a problem for his own grandmother and sister.

Actually in the Preston case the photo was put on a site for gay men to choose.
'Put on a site for gay men to choose' is wrong though, isn't it. The site in question is a site called Linkmaker. It is not a site specifically for gay men. Most prospective adopters are given access to Linkmaker to view the actual profiles of children that are family finding.

ConveyancingHelll · 17/06/2026 16:17

hihelenhi · 17/06/2026 13:05

No, it's not nonsense at all, I'm afraid in this case. Two points.

  • Status as adopted parents v foster carers. Under Regulation 25A of the Care Planning Regulations 2010, anyone who has a child placed with them for adoption is temporarily approved as what is known as a local authority foster carer until the final Adoption Order is granted in court, as per the below link. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010/959/regulation/25A. As we have established, although Preston had been placed, the final adoption order had not yet been granted.The couple were effectively on probation still with Preston still in the care of the local authority.
  • Safer Caring Rules At their stage in the adoption process, both JV and JMF were legally operating as foster carers under an interim care order. JV would therefore be bound by the exact same rules regarding nudity and bathing as any other foster parent. This includes no shared bathing, nudity etc and strict prohibition on naked photos.

Regardless, naked bathing of JV with Preston would not have been considered appropriate at this stage of the adoption process even though Preston had been placed with them, and in fact, as we know, absolutely did turn out to be a precursor to his sexual abuse by JV and ultimate murder. Both that and the naked photo-taking in fact would be safeguarding red flags at that point. As the jury found.

You're reading of the law is wrong.

Regulation 25A governs the arrangements for early permanence/foster to adopt routes. 25A allows LAs to identify a prospective adopter for a child who will probably need to be adopted, but for whom a placement order has not yet been granted. This is most often newborn babies. The prospective adoptive parents are foster parent before the child is placed for adoption and are adoptive parents after the placement order is made. The idea is that a child gets continuity of care.

The more usual and traditional route of adoption takes place under the Adoption and Children Act 2002, section 25 of which says:

"25Parental responsibility
(1)This section applies while—
(a)a child is placed for adoption under section 19 or an adoption agency is authorised to place a child for adoption under that section, or
(b)a placement order is in force in respect of a child.
(2)Parental responsibility for the child is given to the agency concerned.
(3)While the child is placed with prospective adopters, parental responsibility is given to them.
(4)The agency may determine that the parental responsibility of any parent or guardian, or of prospective adopters, is to be restricted to the extent specified in the determination."

In other words - from the moment a child is placed with adoptive parents, those adoptive parents hold parental responsibility, shared with the local authority before the adoption order is made. Adoptive parents are not foster carers or subject to the same rules as foster carers in that scenario.

ConveyancingHelll · 17/06/2026 15:32

Imdunfer · 17/06/2026 13:28

Your assumption that baby = high demand shows a really simplified understanding of the realities of the adoption process

I was talking about Preston, not the adoption process in general.

My assumption that a healthy, perfect, angelic looking little boy with huge eyes, a big smile, adorable curly hair and no record of abuse who had shown no issues in months with a foster placement would not be short of potential adoptive parents is correct, though, isn't it?

I'll eat my hat if a gay couple were the only people who could be found for Preston.

You could literally be describing my son with that description.

And yet he waited two years before being adopted because a match could not be found until we came along.

Maybe they were queuing out the door to adopt him. But you don't know that. because there are lots of factors that may or may not have been at play that none of us know about. Almost all babies in the adoption system have significant uncertainty about their future needs because of their in utero. You have no idea and nor do I what uncertainties might have existed for Preston.

Jane379 · 17/06/2026 15:18

Grammarnut · 17/06/2026 14:20

Despite what we are told prison is not the holiday camp you describe. Both perpetrators of this crime will need to be in solitary confinement for their protection. And rape in male prisons is endemic.
I am not sorry for them for they abused a small, helpless child. Basically they persuaded Social Services to given a living sex toy. But I do not want them harmed because that harms others.

Exactly. People need to realise that rape and murder in male prisoners isn't something to cheer on, it shows the staff has lost control.

I don't feel any sympathy either. But I want prison staff to be safe. And some people could be wrongly imprisoned.

Jane379 · 17/06/2026 15:16

logiccalls · 17/06/2026 14:03

Years ago, state schools were regularly visited by the 'nit-nurse'. Knowing the entire school would have their hair examined meant there was no shame, disgrace or difficulty in accepting it. If the entire school knows everyone gets a (discreet) weight and physical MOT, at intervals, and that even home-schooled and privately schooled children must have the same checks, it would seem likely to be accepted fairly readily, apart from those parents, step parents etc. who are already abusing, or intend to abuse, children over whom they have power.

The full MOT method would mean that if some children have questionable results, such as unusual bruising, it would be possible to recall the child for a follow -up, without anyone knowing why. It could be hinted that there was an unusual pulse rate, or an unusual increase, or lack of increase, in height: It could be anything. Parents, children and school-friends would not be 'identified' or marked out, just for needing a repeat of a medical MOT.

I think this would be a good idea.

logiccalls · 17/06/2026 14:56

followtheswallow · 17/06/2026 14:33

She wasn’t really perfect, was she? She was well into her sixties and suffering from cancer. My heart goes out to her, but I can quite see why it was felt adoption was in Preston’s best interests.

Having had cancer is so common, it cannot rule anyone out of caring for a child. Being over 60 is so common, it cannot rule anyone out of caring for a child.

Do you suggest that every grandmother must have their grandchild snatched away by the State? Everyone who has ever had cancer, too?

At sixty, she could potentially live another forty years. If a mother has died or for whatever reason cannot care for a baby, the mother's mother is the most natural one to love and care for him.

Preston's grandmother already cares, very well, for his sister. Preston's highly experienced foster mother had established a good relationship with his grandmother, and was extremely satisfied that within two months, he would be able to make a seamless transition from one home to another. They were nearby, and contact would continue. The surgeons wanted just a two month delay, before grandmother began lifting a one year old baby.

In what possible way could a pair of gay men, hostile to contact with grandmother or foster mother, and not living nearby, were 'superior' to his grandmother?

If you truly believe that being sixty, or having had cancer, make a woman an incapable and unfit person to take care of her own beloved grandchildren, do you therefore believe she should have her little grand-daughter taken away from her, too, and adopted by strangers, ideally the 'superior caste' of gay men who have never lived with a child?

Arran2024 · 17/06/2026 14:43

logiccalls · 17/06/2026 14:29

Actually in the Preston case the photo was put on a site for gay men to choose. And there was a perfect, and eager, adopter who knew and loved him dearly: His own grandmother: She was already happily bringing up his sister, and they both were counting the days till he could join them.

But an unfortunate coincidence meant that grandmother's masectomy and then her follow-up cancer treatment coincided with his birth, and his first months. Her surgeons would not permit her to lift a baby, until she got her 'all clear' and recovered her strength.

She was almost at that point, when social workers swooped on the foster mother, refusing to allow her to keep Preston for just another couple of months, which was all the surgeon had asked, before baby could join his sister in care of his grandmother.

Grandmother and foster mother did not live far apart and were in close contact, which they had agreed to continue, so the break from one carer to the next would be a gentle transition for him.

He was not a deep sleeper, (pre-natal damage?) but apart from that, was not at all a 'problem' for the foster mother. Nor likely to be a problem for his own grandmother and sister.

Relatives often offer to take children and are refused. This can be for all sorts of reasons. Just because grandmother says she wanted to do and declares herself able is simply her perspective. Social services clearly had misgivings.

Obviously I don't know the ins and outs, but social services are duty bound to consider family members first and there will be reasons for rejecting the family member and going for adoption. They can't defend themselves by going public on their reasons, but I would imagine there were good reasons to say no.

Foster carers often report their charges to be easy - of course they are highly experienced and often not making the demands on children that parents will. My girls' foster mother was one of those super carers who had fostered several hundred children. She was able to do this partly by keeping a distance between herself and the children, feeding and looking after them, letting them play in her big garden. It was a lovely environment for children rescued from a horrible situation but she never eg took them out of the house. They didn't go to nursery, have to share with other children. Foster care is not always real life as most people know it.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/06/2026 14:42

mrsbowes · 17/06/2026 14:33

There's a site specifically for gay men to choose babies?

I think that's more a surrogacy thing where the trade in babies flourishes?

followtheswallow · 17/06/2026 14:39

mrsbowes · 17/06/2026 14:33

There's a site specifically for gay men to choose babies?

No, there isn’t.

mrsbowes · 17/06/2026 14:33

logiccalls · 17/06/2026 14:29

Actually in the Preston case the photo was put on a site for gay men to choose. And there was a perfect, and eager, adopter who knew and loved him dearly: His own grandmother: She was already happily bringing up his sister, and they both were counting the days till he could join them.

But an unfortunate coincidence meant that grandmother's masectomy and then her follow-up cancer treatment coincided with his birth, and his first months. Her surgeons would not permit her to lift a baby, until she got her 'all clear' and recovered her strength.

She was almost at that point, when social workers swooped on the foster mother, refusing to allow her to keep Preston for just another couple of months, which was all the surgeon had asked, before baby could join his sister in care of his grandmother.

Grandmother and foster mother did not live far apart and were in close contact, which they had agreed to continue, so the break from one carer to the next would be a gentle transition for him.

He was not a deep sleeper, (pre-natal damage?) but apart from that, was not at all a 'problem' for the foster mother. Nor likely to be a problem for his own grandmother and sister.

There's a site specifically for gay men to choose babies?

followtheswallow · 17/06/2026 14:33

She wasn’t really perfect, was she? She was well into her sixties and suffering from cancer. My heart goes out to her, but I can quite see why it was felt adoption was in Preston’s best interests.

logiccalls · 17/06/2026 14:29

Arran2024 · 17/06/2026 14:04

You don't necessarily see a photo first, you see a profile. These profiles do not make for easy reading. The profile will be full of information about the birth parents and what caused the child to gobinto care.

I only read 3 sets of profiles. One concerned a baby. His background was extremely traumatic. For a baby to be removed at birth, the profile will undoubtedly be very difficult. You have to get past that before you see the child. And actually, the one thing they did press home on our adoption course was to focus on the profile and not on photos. Traumatised children are often incredibly engaging - it is a survival trait and not how children normally behave. My younger daughter was almost the friendliest, happiest, most willing to speak to adults child in the class - it's not normal, it's a sign of disrupted attachment and is a big red flag.

Actually in the Preston case the photo was put on a site for gay men to choose. And there was a perfect, and eager, adopter who knew and loved him dearly: His own grandmother: She was already happily bringing up his sister, and they both were counting the days till he could join them.

But an unfortunate coincidence meant that grandmother's masectomy and then her follow-up cancer treatment coincided with his birth, and his first months. Her surgeons would not permit her to lift a baby, until she got her 'all clear' and recovered her strength.

She was almost at that point, when social workers swooped on the foster mother, refusing to allow her to keep Preston for just another couple of months, which was all the surgeon had asked, before baby could join his sister in care of his grandmother.

Grandmother and foster mother did not live far apart and were in close contact, which they had agreed to continue, so the break from one carer to the next would be a gentle transition for him.

He was not a deep sleeper, (pre-natal damage?) but apart from that, was not at all a 'problem' for the foster mother. Nor likely to be a problem for his own grandmother and sister.

ThePieceHall · 17/06/2026 14:28

logiccalls · 17/06/2026 13:44

It would seem sensible to let potential adopters first 'train' themselves by becoming foster parents: They would need to be very closely supported and supervised by other, more experienced, possibly retired foster parents, and some 'proxy grannies'. They would also need to be subject to frequent proper checks.

Technology could make this cheaper and easier. As well as visits to the home, and as well as an obligation to take the baby/child to medical check-ups, people could be asked to switch on a home camera, to record both the good and the bad interactions with the child. This would not be to find fault. It would show where they are doing well, and where there are difficulties, so they can be helped and advised by others who have experienced exactly the same problems: Foster parents and adopters have the necessary expertise: Social workers do not.

Home visits should not, or not only, be carried out by the peculiarly inept 'social workers', but always with cynical experienced knowledgeable experts, i.e. other existing or retired foster parents, (but not the ones already known to the novice foster parents, so with no personal bias or investment in 'approving' everything the potential parents do, because they are strangers, and not easily conned by manipulative or plausible 'friends').

Preston's foster mother, and his grandmother, were correctly alarmed, and incorrectly ignored. NHS professionals, and the unspeakably complacent, ideologically 'captured' social workers, were easily fobbed off.

Remember Baby P, whose mother smeared chocolate spread over his face to conceal injuries? Seven previous babies had been taken from her, but nothing made the social worker suspicious.

Nothing at present obliges a parent or prospective parent to attend a medical centre for the child to be stripped and checked and weighed, as well as vaccinated, at appropriate intervals. (And of course signs of venereal disease or penetration in anus or mouth or vagina should be routinely looked for, by an all female medical staff, as well as checking for 'female circumcision' i.e. female 'castration'.)

Knowing this will happen, at intervals, including to children of birth parents, would prevent a lot of abuse in the first place. Sarah Sharma and other children 'punished' by beating, and including 'home-schooled' children, would have been protected to some extent by knowing the law bans harming children, and knowing that parents are not, in Britain, slave-owners of their children, free to do as they like, to their own human 'property' regardless of injury.

You have just made adoption really unpalatable for everyone. We are not state-owned babysitters. We are parents. We are the most vetted parents in the country. Also, some adopters are foster carers first, this is called early permanence. Finally, the state would not want us to be foster carers in most cases because it would have to pay us, like foster carers.

ThePieceHall · 17/06/2026 14:24

Arran2024 · 17/06/2026 14:15

Well, here is the job description for an independent reviewing officer. It looks like a desk job to me. It is all about managing case loads and knowing procedures. There is nothing in the skills section about being good with children, being able to identify harm, anything like that. https://support-for-social-workers.education.gov.uk/explore-roles/independent-reviewing-officer

It very clearly says that from that brief snapshot that a key part of the IRO job is to act as a first point of contact for children and advocate for their interests. IROs are most commonly very senior and experienced social workers. Just because it doesn’t specifically say in this very limited description that they don’t visit the homes of children, does not mean it doesn’t happen. There are statutory guidelines on how often children who are looked after, as Preston was, should be visited.

Grammarnut · 17/06/2026 14:20

Pilgrimlady · 15/06/2026 18:30

It's in the Parenting section and entitled "Baby Preston Davey". Posters on there seem to think them just losing their liberty is punishment enough and I replied that I didn't want to hear about them passing their prison time taking educational courses, doing arts and crafts or whatever. I can't believe the excuses people are making for them, they were babies too once, they are sick and need help etc After reading about what they put poor little Preston through I could batter them myself and I am a peaceful, law abiding, middle aged woman. Who on earth gave these two men that beautiful little baby and who on earth didn't spot that he was being abused? I hope they live in fear every day of their lives and that prison "justice" is handed out to them on a daily basis!

Despite what we are told prison is not the holiday camp you describe. Both perpetrators of this crime will need to be in solitary confinement for their protection. And rape in male prisons is endemic.
I am not sorry for them for they abused a small, helpless child. Basically they persuaded Social Services to given a living sex toy. But I do not want them harmed because that harms others.

Arran2024 · 17/06/2026 14:15

ThePieceHall · 17/06/2026 12:43

Yes, they absolutely do.

Well, here is the job description for an independent reviewing officer. It looks like a desk job to me. It is all about managing case loads and knowing procedures. There is nothing in the skills section about being good with children, being able to identify harm, anything like that. https://support-for-social-workers.education.gov.uk/explore-roles/independent-reviewing-officer

Support for social workers

https://support-for-social-workers.education.gov.uk/explore-roles/independent-reviewing-officer

Arran2024 · 17/06/2026 14:04

Imdunfer · 17/06/2026 13:28

Your assumption that baby = high demand shows a really simplified understanding of the realities of the adoption process

I was talking about Preston, not the adoption process in general.

My assumption that a healthy, perfect, angelic looking little boy with huge eyes, a big smile, adorable curly hair and no record of abuse who had shown no issues in months with a foster placement would not be short of potential adoptive parents is correct, though, isn't it?

I'll eat my hat if a gay couple were the only people who could be found for Preston.

You don't necessarily see a photo first, you see a profile. These profiles do not make for easy reading. The profile will be full of information about the birth parents and what caused the child to gobinto care.

I only read 3 sets of profiles. One concerned a baby. His background was extremely traumatic. For a baby to be removed at birth, the profile will undoubtedly be very difficult. You have to get past that before you see the child. And actually, the one thing they did press home on our adoption course was to focus on the profile and not on photos. Traumatised children are often incredibly engaging - it is a survival trait and not how children normally behave. My younger daughter was almost the friendliest, happiest, most willing to speak to adults child in the class - it's not normal, it's a sign of disrupted attachment and is a big red flag.

logiccalls · 17/06/2026 14:03

Years ago, state schools were regularly visited by the 'nit-nurse'. Knowing the entire school would have their hair examined meant there was no shame, disgrace or difficulty in accepting it. If the entire school knows everyone gets a (discreet) weight and physical MOT, at intervals, and that even home-schooled and privately schooled children must have the same checks, it would seem likely to be accepted fairly readily, apart from those parents, step parents etc. who are already abusing, or intend to abuse, children over whom they have power.

The full MOT method would mean that if some children have questionable results, such as unusual bruising, it would be possible to recall the child for a follow -up, without anyone knowing why. It could be hinted that there was an unusual pulse rate, or an unusual increase, or lack of increase, in height: It could be anything. Parents, children and school-friends would not be 'identified' or marked out, just for needing a repeat of a medical MOT.

Arran2024 · 17/06/2026 13:56

logiccalls · 17/06/2026 13:44

It would seem sensible to let potential adopters first 'train' themselves by becoming foster parents: They would need to be very closely supported and supervised by other, more experienced, possibly retired foster parents, and some 'proxy grannies'. They would also need to be subject to frequent proper checks.

Technology could make this cheaper and easier. As well as visits to the home, and as well as an obligation to take the baby/child to medical check-ups, people could be asked to switch on a home camera, to record both the good and the bad interactions with the child. This would not be to find fault. It would show where they are doing well, and where there are difficulties, so they can be helped and advised by others who have experienced exactly the same problems: Foster parents and adopters have the necessary expertise: Social workers do not.

Home visits should not, or not only, be carried out by the peculiarly inept 'social workers', but always with cynical experienced knowledgeable experts, i.e. other existing or retired foster parents, (but not the ones already known to the novice foster parents, so with no personal bias or investment in 'approving' everything the potential parents do, because they are strangers, and not easily conned by manipulative or plausible 'friends').

Preston's foster mother, and his grandmother, were correctly alarmed, and incorrectly ignored. NHS professionals, and the unspeakably complacent, ideologically 'captured' social workers, were easily fobbed off.

Remember Baby P, whose mother smeared chocolate spread over his face to conceal injuries? Seven previous babies had been taken from her, but nothing made the social worker suspicious.

Nothing at present obliges a parent or prospective parent to attend a medical centre for the child to be stripped and checked and weighed, as well as vaccinated, at appropriate intervals. (And of course signs of venereal disease or penetration in anus or mouth or vagina should be routinely looked for, by an all female medical staff, as well as checking for 'female circumcision' i.e. female 'castration'.)

Knowing this will happen, at intervals, including to children of birth parents, would prevent a lot of abuse in the first place. Sarah Sharma and other children 'punished' by beating, and including 'home-schooled' children, would have been protected to some extent by knowing the law bans harming children, and knowing that parents are not, in Britain, slave-owners of their children, free to do as they like, to their own human 'property' regardless of injury.

Adopters mostly work. They get adoption leave and mostly go back to work. They aren't going to give up their jobs to foster for x amount of time.

Your suggestion puts more and more onus onto adopters, who already have plenty of checks.

The problem is with the system, which assumes that just about anyone can adopt, tries to get people quickly through the approval process, places incredibly challenging children in families totally unprepared for what is to come with little support, and does the bare minimum of supervision in the post adoption period.

When social workers visited us during this period, it was clearly just a tick box meeting. I would spend the meeting expressing my concerns (we were told the children had no issues but both were subsequently diagnosed with adhd, autism and one with a moderate learning disability), but no help was forthcoming - in fact the minutes of the meetings simply noted that the girls seemed happy and healthy and ended on "the placement continues to meet their needs".

They never took the children aside to ask them anything, play games with them etc. It was a long journey for the sws and they did the bare minimum

logiccalls · 17/06/2026 13:44

It would seem sensible to let potential adopters first 'train' themselves by becoming foster parents: They would need to be very closely supported and supervised by other, more experienced, possibly retired foster parents, and some 'proxy grannies'. They would also need to be subject to frequent proper checks.

Technology could make this cheaper and easier. As well as visits to the home, and as well as an obligation to take the baby/child to medical check-ups, people could be asked to switch on a home camera, to record both the good and the bad interactions with the child. This would not be to find fault. It would show where they are doing well, and where there are difficulties, so they can be helped and advised by others who have experienced exactly the same problems: Foster parents and adopters have the necessary expertise: Social workers do not.

Home visits should not, or not only, be carried out by the peculiarly inept 'social workers', but always with cynical experienced knowledgeable experts, i.e. other existing or retired foster parents, (but not the ones already known to the novice foster parents, so with no personal bias or investment in 'approving' everything the potential parents do, because they are strangers, and not easily conned by manipulative or plausible 'friends').

Preston's foster mother, and his grandmother, were correctly alarmed, and incorrectly ignored. NHS professionals, and the unspeakably complacent, ideologically 'captured' social workers, were easily fobbed off.

Remember Baby P, whose mother smeared chocolate spread over his face to conceal injuries? Seven previous babies had been taken from her, but nothing made the social worker suspicious.

Nothing at present obliges a parent or prospective parent to attend a medical centre for the child to be stripped and checked and weighed, as well as vaccinated, at appropriate intervals. (And of course signs of venereal disease or penetration in anus or mouth or vagina should be routinely looked for, by an all female medical staff, as well as checking for 'female circumcision' i.e. female 'castration'.)

Knowing this will happen, at intervals, including to children of birth parents, would prevent a lot of abuse in the first place. Sarah Sharma and other children 'punished' by beating, and including 'home-schooled' children, would have been protected to some extent by knowing the law bans harming children, and knowing that parents are not, in Britain, slave-owners of their children, free to do as they like, to their own human 'property' regardless of injury.

ThePieceHall · 17/06/2026 13:42

ConveyancingHelll · 17/06/2026 13:04

You're right, and 'fake it til you make it' was a flippant way of saying that building a bond of attachment requires doing the things early on that feel unnatural because the bond doesn't yet exist.

Certainly not intended as a mantra that should deter people from seeking help.

I wasn’t getting at you, I know you understand the complexities here.

SparklyHazelEagle · 17/06/2026 13:35

Jane379 · 17/06/2026 13:30

Yes, Kathryn Joyce's book The Child Catchers is very disturbing about adoption within some sections of that subculture.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Child-Catchers-Rescue-Trafficking-Adoption/dp/1586489429

Yes! That's a really important book.

There are also really great documentaries about the phenomenon of Evangelical Christians and 'paper orphans' and the corruption in international adoption.

This is a really good German documentary about what happened with Romanian orphanages after international adoption agencies took over. Lots of corruption and also several instances of peadophiles infiltrating the agencies and homes.

It was essentially child trafficking, under then guise of adoption.

Jane379 · 17/06/2026 13:30

SparklyHazelEagle · 17/06/2026 12:31

There is also a big problem with abuse within the American missionary/ Evangelical Christian adoption culture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Hana_Grace-Rose_Williams

To the point that many countries have banned international adoption, as so many adoptees ended up being abused or murdered.

International adoptees are very vulnerable as the adoptions are done through private agencies.

The autopsy also revealed that the boy had 80 total external injuries, 20 of which were injuries to his head.[6] The prosecution argued that a pattern of neglect and abuse was evident due to Nathaniel's low weight, failure to consistently access therapeutic care, and the injuries evident from his autopsy

According to Russian officials, it is one of many instances of Russian children's abuse and neglect at the hands of American adopters.[6][8] Russian authorities alleged that, at the time of Nathaniel's death, no fewer than 17 Russian children had died under the care of American adopters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Craver

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deceased_children_adopted_from_Russia_in_the_United_States

VIKTOR MATTHEY, born Viktor Sergeivich Tulimov age 6, Hunterdon County, New Jersey. Died October 31, 2000 of cardiac arrest due to hypothermia after adoptive parents Robert and Brenda Matthey locked him overnight in a damp unheated pump room; also suffered over 40 cuts, scrapes, bruises and untreated fractures. Robert Matthey admitted beating Viktor with an aluminum baseball bat, a belt, 2 whips, and his open hand.

Yes, Kathryn Joyce's book The Child Catchers is very disturbing about adoption within some sections of that subculture.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Child-Catchers-Rescue-Trafficking-Adoption/dp/1586489429

Amazon

Amazon

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Child-Catchers-Rescue-Trafficking-Adoption/dp/1586489429?tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-womens-rights-5542839-former-teacher-guilty-of-sexually-abusing-and-murdering-baby-boy-he-wanted-to-adopt-cps

Imdunfer · 17/06/2026 13:28

ConveyancingHelll · 17/06/2026 10:49

That is true.

What is not true is that it follows from that that every baby placed for adoption has multiple applicants wanting to adopt them.

A headline approach of 'baby = high demand' doesn't reflect the reality.

Lots of people go into adoption preferring babies. Then they hit up against the reality that the ideal image of the perfect baby, voluntarily relinquished by a healthy mum, largely doesn't exist.

For any given baby, there is a very high likelihood that they will have been exposed to drugs, alcohol, violence or all three in utero. And unlike with an older child, doctors will usually have no idea what the long term impacts might me.

For any given baby, there will be specific plans in place for direct or (more commonly still) indirect contact with birth family. The more extensive that can be the more offputting it can be to some adopters.

For any given baby there may be questions about inheritable genetic conditions, some with the potential to be life-limiting which can't be tested for at such a young age and which may or may not manifest later in life.

Your assumption that baby = high demand shows a really simplified understanding of the realities of the adoption process.

Your assumption that baby = high demand shows a really simplified understanding of the realities of the adoption process

I was talking about Preston, not the adoption process in general.

My assumption that a healthy, perfect, angelic looking little boy with huge eyes, a big smile, adorable curly hair and no record of abuse who had shown no issues in months with a foster placement would not be short of potential adoptive parents is correct, though, isn't it?

I'll eat my hat if a gay couple were the only people who could be found for Preston.