Dozens of men discuss ignoring single sex space rules

And their coats/hats - don’t forget that. I know I am always complimenting other women on their hat when I’m in the toilets

David Lloyd

Women need a chance to compliment them on their hair.

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Reasons why men follow women and girls into public toilets:

Men will beat them up in the gents.

They have every right to be there

No on can tell

Ok, you can tell, but you can't ask

Some pass, therefore every man should be allowed in

There are no police on the door

Women need a chance to compliment them on their hair.

Someone thought someone was trans, but they weren't.

They are going to do it anyway.

FFS.

You start with the clear statement so everyone knows what is expected of them.

Non-sociopathic people comply.

Some sociopathic people will say "Fuck it, how will they stop me?"

Of those, some will be obvious and may be challenged.

Some will get away with it.

That's what we do for speeding, shoplifting, domestic violence, graffiti, rape, trespass and pretty much every other law or civil rule I can think of.

What we don't do is throw our hands up and say "well this is obviously wrong but we can't stop it so we'll not bother saying it shouldn't be happening, we'll just change the law to say it's ok".

Jesus I am so sick of the misogynist fuckwittery. What is it about the idea that women might actually matter that seems to blow fuses in so many people's heads?

In 2020 I encountered a 'feminine' male in Centre Parks Spa women's changing room. Fortunately we were both wearing clothes. I was not a terf then and had no idea if 'transwomen' were now allowed in a women's changing room. It was my birthday and I didn't know if I complained whether staff would take me seriously or I would be accused of being transphobic. So, despite objecting to this man being present in the changing room, I didn't say anything - either to him or to staff. Now, because the law has been clarified (and I am a terf) I would have no problem complaining to staff and would confront the man if I felt safe enough to do so. Men are bloody obvious and it's gaslighting to say women can't recognise them.

Most other laws are at least introduced being capable of being policed, without potentially violating additional laws (in respect of GDPR, privacy, assault and battery) in the act of so doing.

Everyone who passes goes to a different school.

The men claimed for years they were entitled to be in the female toilets, then spent the over a year shouting and screaming that the SC ruling put their lives in a danger by making them use toilets with other men.

Now they're claiming that no one can tell anyone's sex and no one can tell anyone to leave the toilets anyway. So they are happy to share with men, so long as theres a sanitary bin in sight?

How so? Most other laws don’t set out how they are to be policed so why would this one?

I agree.
My friend runs a venue and has had to chuck males out of the women's loos a few times. Usually weedy studenty types. One recent one actually started crying (yes really) and begged my friend not to call the police (friend had no intention of doing so, but the possibility seemed to be enough to scare that guy).

I saw a comment on that reddit thread along the lines of I won't return to any venue that throws me out of the toilets. Well, here's the thing - you're not that important, buddy, and the venue owner will be glad to be rid of you and not have to deal with your childish behaviour.

I see a lot of chest beating and big talk on that thread. But how men behave online and how they'll behave in the real world are often two very different things.
A lot of these guys will probably conform when confronted with the reality of the laws constraining their desires.
And even those who initially don't will probably only have to be told once. Especially in a workplace scenario.
Of course there will always be some who need to be forcibly removed and banned or even charged with voyeurism or flashing before they get the message. But hopefully that'll be fewer than threads like that reddit one make it seem. They're bullshitting and they know it.

I think it’s easier for a woman to pass as a man than vice versa. I accept possibly I’m passing people in the street who I think are women but are actually male. I think if I was to have a conversation with one that’s unlikely.

there’s a man who comes in the female changing room at the gym who doesn’t pass. I now won’t use the changing room unless the one cubicle is free. So I won’t shower there.

there are a few men in dresses at work. None of them pass. Even if I didn’t know them before transistioning they wouldn’t pass. No wigs or lipstick or fake boobs would ever convince anyone with eyes or ears.

"I made a statutory declaration stating my intent to live as a woman for the rest of my life, and I plan to do so."

I just get up every morning and all the live long day I'm a women, no declaration, no plan, just breathing in and breathing out does it. 🤯

Maybe that's why so many men think they pass, they don't have the senses and lifetime of needing to do a risk assessment that we do.

Yes, and they think that looks are all that's required for "passing".
Body movement, gait etc rarely come into it, and if they do they are exaggerated.

To your first point - Who though? Because all of the usual examples that are cited that fit your description, some may come close, but none actually do when it comes down to brass tacks.

I'm sure there are a few who pass, probably younger and naturally smaller who were on puberty blockers.

And transmen with beards and male pattern balding often need a second look, and you might not bother if you're a man with no need to be wary of the slight guy coming into the gents.

I can remember countless times when I've walked into the ladies and stopped dead thinking I'm in the wrong one because of the person I see at the sink, then I realise she's a woman without her speaking, moving or even looking at me - our senses are amazing!

Maybe that's why so many men think they pass, they don't have the senses and lifetime of needing to do a risk assessment that we do.

It still doesn't mean any men actually pass.

Seriously, give me one example of someone that you think would pass to someone who didn't know they were trans, because I can't think of a single one. Even the ones most often held up as great examples are obviously male.

Anyway, BINGO! for "transinvestigated"

This line of argument has become sooo tedious.

Why do you think people are challenging other people in single-sex spaces nowadays?

The reddit thread says it all. If women didn't think males might be in their spaces, they wouldn't feel the need to challenge.

I mean this is a bit of a silly question really - if they are known for being trans already they will not be able to 'pass' as that is an already identified feature of them, made public and discussed.

If it is not known that they are trans then yes, they will be passing, but nobody would know that!

The reality is that enough natal females are transinvestigated and suspected anyway, so if they are I imagine most transwomen will be too.

And by pass I mean on the basis of footage of them moving/speaking. Not a carefully posed, heavily filtered photo.

frequently

Evidence please

As I said on anothe thread, are there any 'transwomen' in the public eye who genuinely pass? I can't think of a single one, even among those who were puberty blocked.