How to respond he/she?

Names - I don't give a damn. Pronouns though - "she" for women and girls, "he" for men and boys. You know that right? And trans people know that. It's why they want people to use the opposite pronouns for them. If pronouns weren't important, if they didn't signify sex, then trans people wouldn't care what pronouns people used for them. They want other people to lie in order to prop up their self-image.

Not harassment if you do it once. And totally permissible to not validate the identity as long as you do the necessary linguistic gymnastics. Now I don't think i should have to do that, but I have and will. It'll be a cold day in hell before I call a man 'she'.

It really isn't. If you're inferring that, that's a you problem. The judge was merely saying that upsetting people repeatedly can be harassment, and i agree with that.

hence refusing to use pronouns at all for transpeople, just using the name, they have no legitimate right to get cross about that.

Clearly the inference is biology is irrelevant however you need to twist it.

It's only harassment if you do it repeatedly after being asked not to.

Being gay isn't a lifestyle. It's who someone is. Ditto being trans.

Seriously no reply to such ignorant transphobia.

Another one for the "doesn't actually get trans men exist " list. Ah well.

False. Given Its legally considered discrimination & harassment to misgender at work according to the judgement in the Maya Forstater case shows that reproductive biology is irrelevant to pronoun iusage.

The judgement noted:[8][41]

Just as the legal recognition of civil partnerships does not negate the right of a person to believe that marriage should only apply to heterosexual couples, becoming the acquired gender 'for all purposes' within the meaning of GRA does not negate a person's right to believe, like the claimant, that as a matter of biology a trans person is still their natal sex. Both beliefs may well be profoundly offensive and even distressing to many others, but they are beliefs that are and must be tolerated in a pluralist society.

The summary went on to say:

This judgment does not mean that those with gender-critical beliefs can 'misgender' trans persons with impunity. The Claimant, like everyone else, will continue to be subject to the prohibitions on discrimination and harassment under the [Equality Act].

Don't want to be confrontational but equally think it'd be uncomfortable to call a man 'she'.

It's not really up to you to dictate how others want to refer to people. You don't have to use she yourself if you don't want to but others are allowed to. They don't need your approval.

I get you're someone whose Concern about Spaces is secondary to sitting online all day chucking unnecessary abuse at a minority, yeah.

I completely get that.

Objecting to aspects of trans people's lives which don't affect you in the slightest (like their names and pronouns) is the giveaway there.

Being gay isn't an observable fact. Homophobes have always claimed it was a lifestyle choice.

I'm afraid being trans is real, and normal.

Claiming it's a belief is just ignorance. You aren't trans, and clearly don't have any close trans friends - perhaps educate yourself. Listen to other people.

No one would invent being trans. Living as trans is violent, difficult and intensely stressful - but essential, because of how it heals dysphoria. Try reading what older trans people have written on this subject, it may open your eyes.

Well you are welcome to go and hang out with men in unisex spaces but I hope you understand that you have no right to consent on behalf of other women. Women's single sex spaces are not yours to give away.

Being gay isn't a lifestyle. It's who someone is. Ditto being trans.

Seriously no reply to such ignorant transphobia.

Another one for the "doesn't actually get trans men exist " list. Ah well.

Being gay isn't a lifestyle. It's who someone is. Ditto being trans.

Seriously no reply to such ignorant transphobia.

Another one for the "doesn't actually get trans men exist " list. Ah well.

Put it like this. I don't care what trans people believe, or why. I don't care if they are convinced they were born in the wrong body. But I do care that I'm expected to go along with it, when I don't believe it. And I do care that males shouldn't use women's toilets, sports, refuges, changing rooms, and all the rest. Pronouns are a part of this too. Can you understand that?

I live with someone who's trans. In fact, gave birth to them, raised them and have watched them develop.

I've seen how coming out not only healed something within him, but also revealed the extent to which he'd hidden his true self from us. He's himself, a trans man. I don't see him as a woman.

(Please don't accuse me of 'transing' him - it's ridiculous. I had no part in him being trans, and although I support him 100% would far prefer he wasn't because of the violence he's endured.)

Please try reading some trans voices, if you wish to understand what being trans is.

Being gay is a state and a lifestyle that can be lived without negatively impacting other peoples rights. Being trans the way that most trans people want to be trans involves removing the rights of women to keep women's spaces single sex. Trans people are expecting others to accept their belief and give up their rights.

Can you not see that most people would not be what you call a bigot if the trans community would just accept that they are going to have to begin the long fight for their own spaces and rights. it really is the only long term answer I'm afraid.

some people are trans

Can you explain what you mean by this? Do you mean some people think they are the opposite sex? Or perhaps some people really, really want to be the opposite sex? Or do you believe that some people are literally 'born in the wrong body'?

Or do you mean something else entirely? It would help to know exactly what you believe 'being trans' actually is.

Being gay isn't an observable fact. Homophobes have always claimed it was a lifestyle choice.

I'm afraid being trans is real, and normal.

Claiming it's a belief is just ignorance. You aren't trans, and clearly don't have any close trans friends - perhaps educate yourself. Listen to other people.

No one would invent being trans. Living as trans is violent, difficult and intensely stressful - but essential, because of how it heals dysphoria. Try reading what older trans people have written on this subject, it may open your eyes.

Being gay isn't an observable fact. Homophobes have always claimed it was a lifestyle choice.

I'm afraid being trans is real, and normal.

Claiming it's a belief is just ignorance. You aren't trans, and clearly don't have any close trans friends - perhaps educate yourself. Listen to other people.

No one would invent being trans. Living as trans is violent, difficult and intensely stressful - but essential, because of how it heals dysphoria. Try reading what older trans people have written on this subject, it may open your eyes.

Being gay isn't an observable fact. Homophobes have always claimed it was a lifestyle choice.

I'm afraid being trans is real, and normal.

Claiming it's a belief is just ignorance. You aren't trans, and clearly don't have any close trans friends - perhaps educate yourself. Listen to other people.

No one would invent being trans. Living as trans is violent, difficult and intensely stressful - but essential, because of how it heals dysphoria. Try reading what older trans people have written on this subject, it may open your eyes.

Christ on a unicycle juggling baguettes, stop being misogynistic.

You don't speak for women, least of all me. Your patronising inability to understand that lots of us have absolutely no issue with trans people really isn't our problem.

As for an explanation, here you go: some people are trans, and lots of people are fine with that. We get really annoyed when people are unnecessarily rude to our trans friends, same as we do when they're being homophobic.