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Manchesteruser · 06/06/2026 00:00

Out with friends. One friend's son has a TIM friend. Obviously male but fake boobs and wearing a dress, about 25. Everyone refers to him 'as she'. I asked one, 'why do you refer to him as 'her/she' rather than 'he' and was told that that was what he prefers.

How would you have responded?

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DialSquare · 15/06/2026 08:46

”Listen to trans people”
”No, not that trans person”

Helleofabore · 15/06/2026 07:42

“No one is testing trans kids for autism, and there is no database of trans kids, mostly because very few have ever received gender appointments, and most of them were private practice.“

The misinformation that keeps being posted by this poster is frightfully harmful.

The accusations they make about ignorance do strike me as being pure projection considering their overall posting history.

Seethlaw · 15/06/2026 06:01

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 15/06/2026 02:21

Christ. If you're going to make stuff up, don't try it with someone who actually brought up a trans child.

The autism comment is especially breathtaking. No one is testing trans kids for autism, and there is no database of trans kids, mostly because very few have ever received gender appointments, and most of them were private practice. There's no datdbase of autistic kids either, or trans autistic kids.

Being autistic does not make anyone trans. Autistic trans people themselves have suggested they're much less likely to mask than neurotypicals, but that's it.

In addition, autism is very underdiagnosed - especially in cis women. It isn't at all unusual to be autistic.

'Autistic' is not a synonym for 'mentally ill' or 'learning disability' and terfs in generalreally need to stop using it that way.

I'm no longer surprised by the ignorant ableism on this site, but it's irritating nonetheless.

Your choice to consult transphobic sources rather than listen to trans people themselves, is yours alone.

The puberty blockers comment...are you that ignorant?! Seriously? It is because trans kids have been denied care that they haven't had access to puberty blockers. Yes it is a big deal.

The reason adults are interested in children's bodies is very, very obvious. All supportive parents know why there are so many cis men posting incessantly about our kids' bodies and feverishly inventing ridiculous scenarios where girls and adults with penises are forced by Big Woke to shower together. Ugh. Ugh. Sickos. We know.

The autism comment is especially breathtaking. No one is testing trans kids for autism, and there is no database of trans kids, mostly because very few have ever received gender appointments, and most of them were private practice. There's no datdbase of autistic kids either, or trans autistic kids.

Funny. It's almost like you've never heard of the words "Tavistock" or "Cass report"...

Being autistic does not make anyone trans.

If "There's no datdbase of autistic kids either, or trans autistic kids", then how do you know that? Answer: you don't. You do realise that not knowing A is not at all the same as knowing non-A, right?

'Autistic' is not a synonym for 'mentally ill' or 'learning disability' and terfs in generalreally need to stop using it that way.

Until you did right here, nobody else had done so.

Your choice to consult transphobic sources rather than listen to trans people themselves, is yours alone.

Does that mean you're going to listen to me one day?

The reason adults are interested in children's bodies is very, very obvious. All supportive parents know why there are so many cis men posting incessantly about our kids' bodies

You don't seem to be aware that most members of MN are not "cis men", so I'll inform you: most members of Mumsnet are gasp mums, as in, women. That includes me. Oh, and my son is autistic by the way, so don't try to bullshit me about autism either...

RedToothBrush · 15/06/2026 04:34

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 15/06/2026 02:21

Christ. If you're going to make stuff up, don't try it with someone who actually brought up a trans child.

The autism comment is especially breathtaking. No one is testing trans kids for autism, and there is no database of trans kids, mostly because very few have ever received gender appointments, and most of them were private practice. There's no datdbase of autistic kids either, or trans autistic kids.

Being autistic does not make anyone trans. Autistic trans people themselves have suggested they're much less likely to mask than neurotypicals, but that's it.

In addition, autism is very underdiagnosed - especially in cis women. It isn't at all unusual to be autistic.

'Autistic' is not a synonym for 'mentally ill' or 'learning disability' and terfs in generalreally need to stop using it that way.

I'm no longer surprised by the ignorant ableism on this site, but it's irritating nonetheless.

Your choice to consult transphobic sources rather than listen to trans people themselves, is yours alone.

The puberty blockers comment...are you that ignorant?! Seriously? It is because trans kids have been denied care that they haven't had access to puberty blockers. Yes it is a big deal.

The reason adults are interested in children's bodies is very, very obvious. All supportive parents know why there are so many cis men posting incessantly about our kids' bodies and feverishly inventing ridiculous scenarios where girls and adults with penises are forced by Big Woke to shower together. Ugh. Ugh. Sickos. We know.

Wow.

There's only a whole whistleblowing scandal to refer to here.

But you know as usual you are so arrogant and think you know more than anyone else.

Just wow.

ScathingAngelAgrona · 15/06/2026 03:49

As soon as anyone uses the nonsense word ‘cis’ and insists on using it despite objections by others, it is hard to trust anything they write.

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 15/06/2026 02:21

darkothemoon · 14/06/2026 18:53

Oh now lets be a little bit careful here, you've got some very sweeping claims,,,,,'Most trans children become trans adults and stay that way'. While for the majority of adolescents with intense, persistent dysphoria this might be true it certainly is not true of younger children. Between just 2 and 27% of pre pubescent children with gender dysphoria continue into adulthood as trans. And that's a very different thing from 'most children'.

If no one was even able to get gender affirming care for 20 years then there would be no problem with puberty blockers surely? Because everyone would have been over 18 before they had any chance of getting them.

Can you show me the data that supports your claim that most detransitioners support trans people transitioning in the way they did (which I'm assuming is what you mean by 'support trans people') because all i can find is that there are no stats and many detransitioners think there should be stronger medical caution or do not support medical transitioning at all - while only those that detransitioned due to external pressures tended to remain supportive.

I could argue a couple other points but really the main thing is please don't say things like 'most trans children become trans adults and stay that way; because it's very. very wrong. Oh and the reason people are so interested in 'children's bodies' is the potential damage that is being done to them. PB's are not without consequences beyond just delaying puberty. I'm particularly 'concerned' because my ds is autistic and as we know autistic teens have a high risk of not fitting in and looking for things that will help with that. Roughly one fifth of trans children are diagnosed autistic.

Christ. If you're going to make stuff up, don't try it with someone who actually brought up a trans child.

The autism comment is especially breathtaking. No one is testing trans kids for autism, and there is no database of trans kids, mostly because very few have ever received gender appointments, and most of them were private practice. There's no datdbase of autistic kids either, or trans autistic kids.

Being autistic does not make anyone trans. Autistic trans people themselves have suggested they're much less likely to mask than neurotypicals, but that's it.

In addition, autism is very underdiagnosed - especially in cis women. It isn't at all unusual to be autistic.

'Autistic' is not a synonym for 'mentally ill' or 'learning disability' and terfs in generalreally need to stop using it that way.

I'm no longer surprised by the ignorant ableism on this site, but it's irritating nonetheless.

Your choice to consult transphobic sources rather than listen to trans people themselves, is yours alone.

The puberty blockers comment...are you that ignorant?! Seriously? It is because trans kids have been denied care that they haven't had access to puberty blockers. Yes it is a big deal.

The reason adults are interested in children's bodies is very, very obvious. All supportive parents know why there are so many cis men posting incessantly about our kids' bodies and feverishly inventing ridiculous scenarios where girls and adults with penises are forced by Big Woke to shower together. Ugh. Ugh. Sickos. We know.

DialSquare · 14/06/2026 21:10

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murasaki · 14/06/2026 18:59

I can't imagine TPA will be back on this thread given they've made themself look a right lemon.

darkothemoon · 14/06/2026 18:53

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 13/06/2026 18:04

Are you aware how long it takes to access gender-affirming care on the NHS? It's 10-20 years. And that's for initial consultations and counselling.

Most children referred within the past 7 years will not see anyone until, at earliest, their late 20s.

Surgery for under-18s is banned in most countries.

Most trans children become trans adults and stay that way. Puberty blockers help prevent brutal surgeries later on, and give children time to grow up and be sure about next steps.

Forcing children through the wrong puberty when they know it could be prevented causes immense harm, suicidal udwation, exam failure - all while they're coping with horrendous, often sexual, violence at school. Denying kids like that specialised counselling is destroying lives.

No one would go through the intense harassment and violence involved in being a trans child if it didn't mean everything to them.

Most detransitioners support trans people.

A lot of online detrans people have had no medical intervention at all.

Question is why so many adults find it such a fascinating subject. It's really not normal to read obsessively about and discuss children's bodies.

Oh now lets be a little bit careful here, you've got some very sweeping claims,,,,,'Most trans children become trans adults and stay that way'. While for the majority of adolescents with intense, persistent dysphoria this might be true it certainly is not true of younger children. Between just 2 and 27% of pre pubescent children with gender dysphoria continue into adulthood as trans. And that's a very different thing from 'most children'.

If no one was even able to get gender affirming care for 20 years then there would be no problem with puberty blockers surely? Because everyone would have been over 18 before they had any chance of getting them.

Can you show me the data that supports your claim that most detransitioners support trans people transitioning in the way they did (which I'm assuming is what you mean by 'support trans people') because all i can find is that there are no stats and many detransitioners think there should be stronger medical caution or do not support medical transitioning at all - while only those that detransitioned due to external pressures tended to remain supportive.

I could argue a couple other points but really the main thing is please don't say things like 'most trans children become trans adults and stay that way; because it's very. very wrong. Oh and the reason people are so interested in 'children's bodies' is the potential damage that is being done to them. PB's are not without consequences beyond just delaying puberty. I'm particularly 'concerned' because my ds is autistic and as we know autistic teens have a high risk of not fitting in and looking for things that will help with that. Roughly one fifth of trans children are diagnosed autistic.

Seethlaw · 14/06/2026 18:41

HousePlantEmergency · 14/06/2026 18:00

I see we're back at "trans people exist" again.

Blows my mind that adults can use this turn of phrase with a straight face.

It's so unbelievably juvenile and it terrifies me that there appear to be adults who are 'guiding' children through distress using such childlike phrases.

Unfortunately for you TPS, @Seethlaw is a trans man. An extremely well informed trans man who is in touch with reality. Not just their own reality, but you know, ACTUAL reality.

I see we're back at "trans people exist" again.

Blows my mind that adults can use this turn of phrase with a straight face.

Exactly! Like, nobody's denying that trans people like me exist; that's absolutely not the point! The point is: how does a civilised society deal with us? Recognising that we exist is the very first step, and that's done. It's what come next that's being discussed.

There are several serious medical conditions popping up here and there in my family: there are people with autism, schizophrenia, Cluster B personality disorders, and so on. And guess what? Nobody ever says, "Oh, well, since they have a condition, it's okay to medically abuse them." If someone said, "It's okay to drug them until they can't put two thoughts together," or "It's always good to lock them into psychiatric facilities", there would be massive outcries and for good reason.

So why - WHY? - is it EVER okay to say, "It's good to give children drugs that will severely mess up their bodies for life, and even potentially shorten that life" ? Or, "It's okay to encourage children to want massive surgeries that will significantly negatively affect their physical quality of life" ? I mean, WTF!? What is wrong with parents that they should want their own children to start their adult lives with those massive hurdles already entrenched and unremoveable??

I just don't get it. Yes, trans people exist, DUH! But no, that doesn't in any way justify harming children's health. If your best solution to a problem is, "Harm children", then your solution is not a solution at all, and you need to look for a better one!

HousePlantEmergency · 14/06/2026 18:00

I see we're back at "trans people exist" again.

Blows my mind that adults can use this turn of phrase with a straight face.

It's so unbelievably juvenile and it terrifies me that there appear to be adults who are 'guiding' children through distress using such childlike phrases.

Unfortunately for you TPS, @Seethlaw is a trans man. An extremely well informed trans man who is in touch with reality. Not just their own reality, but you know, ACTUAL reality.

TheKeatingFive · 14/06/2026 16:41

FrippEnos · 14/06/2026 16:39

This is what was happeniing, but somehow stonewall and their ilk managed to subvert the whole system and we have the bizarre situation that we are in now.

Exactly. We were on the right track but the TRAs came and messed these poor children up.

FrippEnos · 14/06/2026 16:39

TheKeatingFive · 14/06/2026 16:18

Gender non conforming people exist. What we should be doing is reassuring them that there is no 'right' way to be male or female. They are perfect exactly as they are.

However the idea that they are somehow really rhe opposite sex, are 'living' as the opposite sex, or that everyone should pretend they are the opposite sex is absolutely ludicrous.

This is what was happeniing, but somehow stonewall and their ilk managed to subvert the whole system and we have the bizarre situation that we are in now.

Rednorth · 14/06/2026 16:33

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 14/06/2026 00:44

I'm taking about something you clearly haven't experienced: gender dysphoria.

Trans children are born, not made. Going through the wrong puberty is deeply distressing for them, because the outer body doesn't match how they know themselves to be.

It is immeasurably cruel to deny these kids the appropriate counselling to help them cope with this - and, further down the line, treatment which will give them time to mature and make decisions later.

Puberty blockers have been used by cis children for a long time (they still are) to prevent early puberty. A very small number of trans children are suitable for them, and have been helped by them.

Campaigning against help for trans children has had three effects:

  1. Deterioration of mental health. There is widespread depression, anxiety, use of prescription medications, distress, school refusal, self-harm, hospitalisations and suicides among trans children.
  1. The demonisation of trans children, who are seen as deserving violence (especially sexual violence) at school. Statistics show all trans children are targeted within schools and suffer greatly - many just leave without doing exams, because it's so awful.
  1. Far more adult surgeries. Forcing trans boys to develop breasts they don't want, just means they'll have top surgery later. It also forces them to wear binders.

None of these effects have helped trans children.

Yes, some trans kids change their minds - but most of that's because of the.immense social pressure and ceaseless harassment trans people face. And the vast majority of them have changed little more than a haircut.

Trans adult surgeries have a very low regret rate, and many trans men have babies.

All the young trans adults I know have been through things no child should - denial of care, violence, harassment and (in all cases bar two, one of them my own son) getting kicked out by their families. They are picking up the pieces of their lives, starting again, forming relationships and getting jobs. Many have PTSD after their experiences. It has stopped precisely none of them being trans.

Breaking children at a young age is inexcusable. There is not even appropriate counselling for them if they can't afford to go private (true in most cases).

I hope terfs know that all their campaigning has led to this: young trans men now contemplating the quickest, cheapest way to get surgery they wouldn't otherwise have needed.

No one would be trans unless it meant everything to them. Their lives are too hard. Harassment, violence - not to mention online forums dedicated to discussing their bodies, lives and appearance. Formulating paranoid conspiracy theories about them. Declaring them evil fetishists. Could you cope with that?

Show me a child who doesn't have an identity crisis at least at some point in their lives. Especially more so now, when communities with which to identity with (historically tied to subcultures) has been eroded so much.

Not being comfortable with who you are / how the world expects you to act and behave does not equate to gender dysphoria. Its just another example of projecting societies ills onto individuals...But too many people/ groups are pushing the idea of gender dysphoria onto these vulnerable children. And its wrong.

Plus everything you raise around mental health, is an issue for pretty much every young person, not just trans kids. Mental health provision across the board is woefully inadequate. Early help intervention, sen provision, youth centres, nurturing in schools and education settings...the erosion of all of these things has left our children lost and unsure of themselves.

TheKeatingFive · 14/06/2026 16:18

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 14/06/2026 16:00

Amazing response. I explain (at length, I know) about the reality of being trans - and that's your reply.

Trans people exist, and life isn't easy for them. It would be a lot easier if they weren't trans - but they get on with it, building lives despite horrendous obstacles.

I'm not insane, neither are trans people,neither is my post. If you don't have a better reply than denial and ableism, then...well, enjoy life being ignorant, I guess.

Gender non conforming people exist. What we should be doing is reassuring them that there is no 'right' way to be male or female. They are perfect exactly as they are.

However the idea that they are somehow really rhe opposite sex, are 'living' as the opposite sex, or that everyone should pretend they are the opposite sex is absolutely ludicrous.

Seethlaw · 14/06/2026 16:17

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 14/06/2026 16:04

Christ. Empathy, learning and tolerance aren't just words.

The hate emanating from your post is quite something. I'd suggest finding a better hobby than seething about trans people, but I suspect there'd be little left.

I have plenty of empathy for those poor children who are lied to and manipulated into thinking that the problems in their lives will disappear if only they harm themselves in definitive manners. I cry for them. I ache for them.

You, on the other hand, I despise for your intellectual dishonesty. I present you with facts, and you can only dismiss all of them because you know I'm right. That's pathetic.

CassOle · 14/06/2026 16:15

Thanks for the laugh, TPA!

RedToothBrush · 14/06/2026 16:13

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 14/06/2026 16:04

Christ. Empathy, learning and tolerance aren't just words.

The hate emanating from your post is quite something. I'd suggest finding a better hobby than seething about trans people, but I suspect there'd be little left.

This is a very funny response given who its addressed to.

RedToothBrush · 14/06/2026 16:13

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 14/06/2026 15:57

I live with someone who does, and know how real it is.

Hmm.

You seem to be trapped in this world where you think you are the only person here who has this experience of knowing and living with someone claiming a trans identity.

Why do you think you know better than the rest of us?

What if we are the ones who are right and you've fucked up?

Of course you can't possibly even consider this possibility because this would mean you had harmed your own child. Strangely there's more than a few women (and men) here who have taken the opposite route and their children detransitioned and didn't suffer in the process in the way that you suggest as being an inevitability.

Odd that.

murasaki · 14/06/2026 16:10

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 14/06/2026 16:04

Christ. Empathy, learning and tolerance aren't just words.

The hate emanating from your post is quite something. I'd suggest finding a better hobby than seething about trans people, but I suspect there'd be little left.

You do know that Seethlaw is a transman, and therefore has a more valid opinion than you do, don't you?

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 14/06/2026 16:04

Seethlaw · 14/06/2026 09:59

Oh dear. So very dramatic.

I'm taking about something you clearly haven't experienced: gender dysphoria.

I have. Still do.

Going through the wrong puberty

There's no such thing as a "wrong" puberty, because there's no such thing as a "right" puberty. There's only puberty. Children on hormones don't go through the other sex's puberty. Girls don't grow balls and a penis. Boys don't grow a vagina and a uterus. They all go through the one and only puberty they can go through: their own sex's, just a distorted version of it.

It is immeasurably cruel to deny these kids the appropriate counselling to help them cope with this

Actually, I agree, but only because the "appropriate counselling" is the one that tells them that this is the one and only body they have, and that changing sex is impossible. Telling them that if they take immensely dangerous drugs, they will be the other sex, is indeed "immeasurably cruel".

Puberty blockers have been used by cis children for a long time (they still are) to prevent early puberty.

Yes, with horrible medical side-effects. Funny how TRAs never mention those side-effects when advocating giving them to "trans kids".

A very small number of trans children are suitable for them, and have been helped by them.

Please cite your source for this claim, because so far all studies I'm aware of have shown the contrary.

Deterioration of mental health. There is widespread depression, anxiety, use of prescription medications, distress, school refusal, self-harm, hospitalisations and suicides among trans children.

True but correlation isn't causation. Please cite your source showing that all those things are caused by the gender dysphoria. Because the way I see it, for most current-day "trans kids", the gender dysphoria is simply another symptom of an underlying distress, and will disappear when that distress is treated.

The demonisation of trans children, who are seen as deserving violence (especially sexual violence) at school. Statistics show all trans children are targeted within schools and suffer greatly - many just leave without doing exams, because it's so awful.

Statistics, heh? Got some handy to prove this claim?

Far more adult surgeries. Forcing trans boys to develop breasts they don't want, just means they'll have top surgery later. It also forces them to wear binders.

I don't think you understand how this works. Little girls using puberty blockers don't develop breasts as long as they take the puberty blockers. Once they stop taking them, their puberty resumes, and those breasts develop, whether they take testosterone or not. So if they do indeed grow to not want those breasts later on (which is a massive "if"), they will have to have the surgery, even if they've been drugged up since they were 8.

Yes, some trans kids change their minds - but most of that's because of the.immense social pressure and ceaseless harassment trans people face.

Funny: that's not what they themselves say. I don't think the woman who sued the surgeon who operated on her did it because of social pressure and harrassment. She specifically did it because she had never been able to properly consent to having her breasts removed, and she's now distressed by the lack of them for the rest of her life.

Trans adult surgeries have a very low regret rate,

You don't know that. Nobody knows that, because there's no study whatsoever on the matter.

and many trans men have babies.

See what I told you about there being only one puberty anyone can go through? You can put a little girl on puberty blockers and then on testosterone, and she'll still go through some mangled version of the female puberty, because that's the only one she can go through.

All the young trans adults I know have been through things no child should - denial of care, violence, harassment and (in all cases bar two, one of them my own son) getting kicked out by their families. They are picking up the pieces of their lives, starting again, forming relationships and getting jobs. Many have PTSD after their experiences. It has stopped precisely none of them being trans.

You're making it sound like they went through those horrible things because they are trans. Let me posit another theory: they went through those horrible things because many things in their lives were wrong, and the distress made them believe they were trans. Ie. trans is a consequence of the root of their problem, not the cause. And you can't prove me wrong.

Breaking children at a young age is inexcusable.

AGREED! No child should be told that their body is wrong. No child should be told that they have to submit to medical procedures in order to make their body right. No child should be lied to that their body can become anything other than what it will inevitably become. No child should be given medical treatments with incredibly heavy, even life-shortening consequences, for false reasons. It is indeed inexcusable.

I hope terfs know that all their campaigning has led to this: young trans men now contemplating the quickest, cheapest way to get surgery they wouldn't otherwise have needed.

Oh no no no. The only ones responsible for that are the TRAs who tell these young women that their happiness depends on cutting their breasts off, and who campaign to prevent anyone from giving proper psychological support to these young women so they can reconcile themselves with their only, healthy body.

No one would be trans unless it meant everything to them. Their lives are too hard.

"No one would be depressed unless it meant everything to them."
"No one would be anorexic unless it meant everything to them."
"No one would be autistic unless it meant everything to them."
"No one would be disabled unless it meant everything to them."
See how stupid that sounds? Just because something is hard, doesn't mean it must be automatically supported and encouraged.

Harassment, violence - not to mention online forums dedicated to discussing their bodies, lives and appearance. Formulating paranoid conspiracy theories about them. Declaring them evil fetishists. Could you cope with that?

Then... Don't make them go through it? Give them proper psychological help so they learn to accept the one and only body they will ever have? Problem solved!

Christ. Empathy, learning and tolerance aren't just words.

The hate emanating from your post is quite something. I'd suggest finding a better hobby than seething about trans people, but I suspect there'd be little left.

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 14/06/2026 16:00

Lovelyview · 14/06/2026 15:41

I'm sorry. This is completely mad. No-one is born trans. Children don't go through the wrong puberty. Some young people have mental distress about their sex or about their body's changes at puberty but creating an endocrine disorder in a healthy body because of mental distress is completely insane.

Amazing response. I explain (at length, I know) about the reality of being trans - and that's your reply.

Trans people exist, and life isn't easy for them. It would be a lot easier if they weren't trans - but they get on with it, building lives despite horrendous obstacles.

I'm not insane, neither are trans people,neither is my post. If you don't have a better reply than denial and ableism, then...well, enjoy life being ignorant, I guess.

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 14/06/2026 15:57

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 14/06/2026 08:24

Have you experienced gender dysphoria?

I live with someone who does, and know how real it is.

Lovelyview · 14/06/2026 15:41

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 14/06/2026 00:44

I'm taking about something you clearly haven't experienced: gender dysphoria.

Trans children are born, not made. Going through the wrong puberty is deeply distressing for them, because the outer body doesn't match how they know themselves to be.

It is immeasurably cruel to deny these kids the appropriate counselling to help them cope with this - and, further down the line, treatment which will give them time to mature and make decisions later.

Puberty blockers have been used by cis children for a long time (they still are) to prevent early puberty. A very small number of trans children are suitable for them, and have been helped by them.

Campaigning against help for trans children has had three effects:

  1. Deterioration of mental health. There is widespread depression, anxiety, use of prescription medications, distress, school refusal, self-harm, hospitalisations and suicides among trans children.
  1. The demonisation of trans children, who are seen as deserving violence (especially sexual violence) at school. Statistics show all trans children are targeted within schools and suffer greatly - many just leave without doing exams, because it's so awful.
  1. Far more adult surgeries. Forcing trans boys to develop breasts they don't want, just means they'll have top surgery later. It also forces them to wear binders.

None of these effects have helped trans children.

Yes, some trans kids change their minds - but most of that's because of the.immense social pressure and ceaseless harassment trans people face. And the vast majority of them have changed little more than a haircut.

Trans adult surgeries have a very low regret rate, and many trans men have babies.

All the young trans adults I know have been through things no child should - denial of care, violence, harassment and (in all cases bar two, one of them my own son) getting kicked out by their families. They are picking up the pieces of their lives, starting again, forming relationships and getting jobs. Many have PTSD after their experiences. It has stopped precisely none of them being trans.

Breaking children at a young age is inexcusable. There is not even appropriate counselling for them if they can't afford to go private (true in most cases).

I hope terfs know that all their campaigning has led to this: young trans men now contemplating the quickest, cheapest way to get surgery they wouldn't otherwise have needed.

No one would be trans unless it meant everything to them. Their lives are too hard. Harassment, violence - not to mention online forums dedicated to discussing their bodies, lives and appearance. Formulating paranoid conspiracy theories about them. Declaring them evil fetishists. Could you cope with that?

I'm sorry. This is completely mad. No-one is born trans. Children don't go through the wrong puberty. Some young people have mental distress about their sex or about their body's changes at puberty but creating an endocrine disorder in a healthy body because of mental distress is completely insane.

FrippEnos · 14/06/2026 12:01

TransParentlyAnnoyed

It is immeasurably cruel to deny these kids the appropriate counselling to help them cope with this - and, further down the line, treatment which will give them time to mature and make decisions later.

Is this the trans affirming counselling which pushes them towards the further treatment.
Or the counselling that allows them come come to terms with their dysphoria.
One is not benificial and the other TRAs want banning.

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