Friends suggesting transphobia and misogyny both rooted in policing gender roles

I'm sorry - make your point about JK Rowling having cosmetic surgery, from scratch. I didn't understand it.

And this kind of response just show cases why there's 'no debate' with GC talking points. Debate requires some modicum of acceptance of facts like their own hypocrisy when it comes to women maintaining sexist stereotypes that these champion denialists can't entertain lest it crashes their world view.

An utterly incoherent ideology.

Point proved. Deflection and waffle all the way.
Enjoy the night shift.

Yes, it is rather 'painful' to accept that GC 'thought' leaders are all 'do as I say not as I do' isn't it?

You make NO sense. It's painful.

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Are you really the best the TRAs have got these days? Standards have dropped even below what was thought to be possible.

Do tell you don't understand what 'woman face' is with out telling us.

The context of this discussion is the OP questioning whether safety was an issue for trans people to which I have provided reported evidence. If you want actual numbers look them up yourself but I would note that reporting is not the same as offending so those numbers aren't accurate like they aren't for sexual violence against women nor do they reflect the chilling effect of trans people restricting their visibility for fear of violence particularly given the widespread media & activist campaigns to demonise & dehumanise them.

That its not obvious that trans people like other members of the LGBTQ community are subject to hate crimes lends to the level of unconscionable denial partisan politics demands. I really don't know how these people live with themselves.

Well given her face belongs to an actual woman, you're being ridiculous now.

The same JK Rowling whose had a face lift, fillers & botox not to mention revels in feminine 'woman face' aesthetics?

The chart breaks up crimes showing non violent & violent if you bother to check it.

The context of this point was another commenter doubting that trans people had safety issues not whether women experienced more safety issues than trans people which as I have already stated upthread is irrelevant to the question of trans safety.

Because I was interested by the assertion that the cavalry all wore high heels, I found that I was investigating British Army uniforms of the past couple of centuries.

I have not yet found a single contemporary picture since 1800 in which a mounted cavalryman of the British Army is depicted wearing heels taller than about an inch. Obviously they did wear boots with heels: that is to stop your feet from sliding too far into the stirrups and getting caught. But high heels? Not that i have found so far. They may have existed, but they don't seem to have been painted or, later, photographed. (And the present-day Household Cavalry don't wear them.)

According to an art historian I used to know, the reason for the Virgin Mary being shown in a blue mantle as a general rule is simply that rich dark blue pigment, which is made using lapis lazuli, was difficult to obtain and costly, back when the early iconography was going on. She got the best so that the patrons who'd commissioned the pictures could be shown to be proper wealthy.

Breeching a male child was something of a ceremony, happening usually when they were between four and eight years of age and often depending on their size as well as their age.

Yes, dresses were normal for toddlers of both sexes in the past.

The toddler on the left in the rather fancy dress is Prince Alfred.

The pictures we have of my grandfather as a toddler he is in white lacy petticoats. I assume white was easier to wash as you could boil it all together.

The folklore collector Edward Lovett found blue bead necklaces and bracelets being worn in the East End of London around the time of the First World War. They were supposed to be a protection against bronchitis. I wonder if there is a connection?

Blue was strongly associated with the Virgin Mary, who is depicted in a blue dress. She is certainly a protective figure.

Her shade of blue is hers alone.

Jesus is sometimes shown robed in red.

We in the UK have leant heavily into it. My then colleague was horrified that our Dutch office sent me a blue teddy and baby outfit for a baby I didn't know the sex of. She couldn't comprehend that I was happy to give a baby girl a blue teddy and was relieved that I had a boy so some poor girl wasn't made to touch blue things. She also couldn't wrap her head around me dressing him in orange, lime green or red, because how would people know he was a boy if he wasn't wearing blue? I don't think she ever really believed I'd bought a years worth of clothes and decorated the nursery without knowing the sex.

Yes. Mass availability of affordable cheap cloth in a wide range of colours is a comparatively recent phenomenon.

Pink/blue coding is quite recent and is really a function of mass production of consumer goods.

Until recently most of the population would have had little choice about their clothing.

Actually, to be fair to @LoremIpsumCici , there is an old association between blue and protection in some cultures. Those blue glass eye things you see in Greece and the Middle East are an example. And wearing a string of blue beads.

But as far as I know, it wasn't and isn't a gendered system of "blue for boys, pink for girls". It was just "blue for protection".

I am quite prepared to believe that in some sexist societies and families boys got their blue protection and girls got not-blue/nothing.

Hate crime is a criminal offence aggravated by hate, so not related to pronoun use.

Thankfully the police are no longer recording 'non crime hate incidents'.

Instinctively I agree with you, but I think our judgement of the motivation is relevant to the reason why we would find bondage gear acceptable in a club but not in a workplace.

I agree that the Oxford boobs wouldn't be acceptable whoever wore them, but I also think we judge men and women differently because we are more likely to assume that a man is motivated by sexual arousal, and men are the biggest consumers of porn and more likely to be convicted of sex related offences.

No, "hate crime" won't work. Hate crimes include things like refusing to share female bathroom with a transwoman, refusing to use preferred pronouns, voicing the opinion that transwoman should stay out of women's refuges, etc... None of that is violence. Also, "hate crimes" committed against women for being women aren't recorded, so we can't compare like with like.

Let's compare the number of women who are raped, assaulted and murdered every year with the number of transwomen.