Friends suggesting transphobia and misogyny both rooted in policing gender roles

I think she's perhaps someone who is still sure that there must be some way to give transwomen what they're asking for in terms of access to single sex spaces, so logically to her the only reasons for someone not wanting that to happen must be bad. She probably does mean well, because she's sure of that first thing. Facebook is a terrible place to try to debate this though.

I would leave it, partly on the basis that if she's sensible eventually she'll move beyond this point, but if so it won't be because of a friend debating her - if anything it'll be despite that, if you do.

I'd try to leave her an out for rolling back at some point in the future, and taking up an open stance 'against' her witnessed by other people on Facebook will only make that harder and entrench her position. I'd just ignore it completely.

Notice how many likes she gets, or doesn't. I've noticed Facebook friends who post things like that get barely 10% of the likes they get for other posts, these days. I think that can send a message in itself, so I'd probably leave it at that.

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Are you a child? Disagreeing is not bullying. In this space many people will disagree with you. And that's unlikely to change.

Some great advice here @Pyjamatimenow

Being a feminist means defending women’s rights. These include the important right to privacy and safety from men, in single-sex spaces.

Therefore, you can either be a feminist or you can be a supporter of men using all women’s services and spaces. You can’t be two opposite things.

From a feminist point of view, thats a specious argument. Oppression of women is about telling women they need to behave in a certain way because they’re women. Feminism is about treating women as people who don’t have to be defined by or fit into any stereotype, it’s simply a description for a human who has a female body. So by that definition the idea of being a woman in a man’s body makes not sense.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people (im thinking those in the American right) for whom misogyny and anti-trans rhetoric are coming from the same place - antagonism towards those who won’t fit into the boxes allocated to them. And this makes it really easy for those not paying attention to claim it’s inherently the same thing, whereas most gender-critical people in the UK take a feminist approach.

as for whether you should comment - I think it is always helpful to put a reasonable and clear respond stating your views - especially for others reading it who may not have seen it in the way you do. But there can be a high personal cost to doing this, and you need to figure out if you feel it is personally worth it.

So no reflection on the absurdity of what you said? How astonishing.

You lot really are committed to bullying anyone who dares express a dissenting opinion off this board, aren't you.

you're not actually required to jump in and argue every single time someone says something you disagree with.

Irony klaxon!

Anyway OP, can you be bothered?

And yet, as a prior poster points out, there you are, jumping in and arguing.

Perhaps you should try listening?

Why did you feel the need to “jump in”? Ask yourself that, and you may understand how the op and others feel, even though you disagree with them.

We all want transwomen to live safely.

Just not to co opt women's single sex spaces and identities.

I'd ignore it for now and probably let the friendship drift, as she isn't a feminist at all if she's including men in her feminism.

Stupid, ignorant virtue signalling luxury beliefs. “Trans rights” have fuck all to do with women’s rights other than to disregard them.

She’s not right, it’s patent bollocks.