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Friends suggesting transphobia and misogyny both rooted in policing gender roles

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Pyjamatimenow · 01/06/2026 23:42

Friend of mine has posted on her social media ( a very long detailed post) that basically trans rights are women’s rights and that what she sees as transphobia is akin to people who ‘punish’ women who don’t fit into gender stereotypes, don’t get married, don’t look ‘feminine’, don’t have children…Says she’s a feminist and defends the rights of trans women to live safely etc …whatever that means. Cis women mentioned several times. I don’t normally comment on these kinds of things on FB but struggling with this particular post! If I were to say something what would you say?

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AnnaNirvana2 · 02/06/2026 14:57

"Transphobia" is a made up word. Phobia means fear of. If so called "transphobic" people are afraid of anything, it is being afraid of women and children losing THEIR rights and safeguarding boundaries to allow a "special" group of MEN (mostly) into their hard won, legally protected spaces.
Here are some facts ( bear in mind I am a Biologist). No one can change sex. Some people have a mental disorder ( usually more than one) that makes them "think" they are a different sex. They perform what they think that preferred sex, using their version of sex stereotypes. For men, most of whom suffer from "Autogynaephilia", that version of "femininity is informed by porn. The term Autogynaephile means that they are sxually turned on by the thought of themselves as women, sometimes even little girls.
More facts, despite what trans allies tell you about "transwomen" being safer than other men, they are up to 3 times more likely to be x offenders and aedo
hiles, than other men.
I recommend you research what I have stated, including
#notourcrimes , sissy prn ,websites reduxx, and Sex matters.
These men are faking pregnancy, periods and taking hormones so that they can "chestfeed" newborns, all to satisfy their male urges. If we don't stop it now, they'll be taking all of our rights and our children's.
Trans rights are MEN'S rights.

MyAmpleSheep · 02/06/2026 14:42

BananaPeels · 02/06/2026 14:37

I am honestly struggling to understand what the point of it is.

all it is proving to me is that men and women are biologically different and act and dress differently due to their different sexes and how they go about a mating ritual. Nothing at all to do with gender at all.

The wider point is that by adopting hyper-feminine styling trans-identifying men are utilizing a male-female binary, not fighting it.

It was argued that women and trans-identifying men want to wear heels because they're intrinsically "nice", not because men like them. I'm saying they're only thought of as nice (instead of uncomfortable) because they are attractive to men.

Datun · 02/06/2026 14:41

BananaPeels · 02/06/2026 14:37

I am honestly struggling to understand what the point of it is.

all it is proving to me is that men and women are biologically different and act and dress differently due to their different sexes and how they go about a mating ritual. Nothing at all to do with gender at all.

That IS gender.

Aa the saying goes, women are oppressed because of their sex, gender is the means by which it's done.

BananaPeels · 02/06/2026 14:37

MyAmpleSheep · 02/06/2026 14:35

Some women do, and that is enough to make the point. And everyone understands the reason they do it (nor is it anything to do with cloakrooms).

I am honestly struggling to understand what the point of it is.

all it is proving to me is that men and women are biologically different and act and dress differently due to their different sexes and how they go about a mating ritual. Nothing at all to do with gender at all.

MyAmpleSheep · 02/06/2026 14:35

BananaPeels · 02/06/2026 14:22

Neither do most women! And if they are standing out in the cold like that it is because they don’t want to faff of queuing for the cloakroom

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Some women do, and that is enough to make the point. And everyone understands the reason they do it (nor is it anything to do with cloakrooms).

nicepotoftea · 02/06/2026 14:34

BananaPeels · 02/06/2026 14:22

Neither do most women! And if they are standing out in the cold like that it is because they don’t want to faff of queuing for the cloakroom

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I think there are clubs where men would hang around outside wearing minimal clothing.

It just doesn't change anybody's sex.

"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference."

nicepotoftea · 02/06/2026 14:32

ElenOfTheWays · 02/06/2026 14:21

You want croutons with that word salad?

As somebody once said "dress however you please", however it doesn't change your sex.

BananaPeels · 02/06/2026 14:22

MyAmpleSheep · 02/06/2026 14:09

how Is a women wearing short dress different to a man wearing shorts with no top on?

Men don't stand around outside nightclubs in shorts when it's significantly below freezing.

Neither do most women! And if they are standing out in the cold like that it is because they don’t want to faff of queuing for the cloakroom

LazyFoxy · 02/06/2026 14:22

Yes Elen. Insults go one way. Guess when coherent argument fails, out come the jibes

ElenOfTheWays · 02/06/2026 14:21

Baileyonice · 02/06/2026 02:41

Best educate yourself of your ideological 'limitations' first. There are a couple of reasons why you are failing to grasp her post.

Firstly, you don't seem to understand the guiding principle of feminism which is self determination that isn't limited by reproductive biological characteristics. Principles retain their legitimacy only when they are consistently held. One simply can't demand self determination for one's self (women) & deny it to others (trans people). Reducing trans people's identity to deluded 'performers' of the opposite sex is an attack on their self determination which ironically mirrors MRA's who reduce feminism to simply 'man envy' rather than recognise their inherent psychological interchangeability with men. See the parallels between trans & women's struggles?

The second reason you are struggling to understand her post is gender critical ideology is underpinned by blank slatism. That is, they don't believe feminine & masculine expressions are organic inclinations rather imposed culturally as Germaine Greer explains below all while she is ironically 'performing' stereotypical femininity with her feminine presentation.

What gender critical's & GG seem to miss is humans don't blindly replicate one another. We don't do monkey see monkey do. There's usually what's called a 'missing link' where 'copying' is preceded by an organic inclination to a preference. Our inclinations often have deep roots in genetic & hormonal influences that form our personality traits. Again, feminism wasn't about 'copying' men because there was nothing to copy. We women already had within us the same psychological traits that legitimised equal treatment.

Another example of transphobia being rooted in misogyny is how much more trans women are demonised & dehumanised than trans men particularly as being motivated by sexual deviancy & predation.

The common refrain we hear from GC talking points is 'trans people promote stereotypes by claiming the are the opposite gender' but even if they didn't claim they were the opposite gender we all know that despite what a natal male who expresses feminine presentation calls themselves it would still be socially unacceptable but not so for a butch natal female. Clearly there's misogynist social expectations regarding gender expression that is unrelated to what trans people call themselves & yet trans people are accused of being the enablers of it.

Now some might say that trans people promote sexist stereotypes by expressing traditional /feminine behaviours but don't cis women too? Aren't they 'promoting' misogyny too? Or are they 'let off the hook' for 'not knowing any better' as hapless 'victims' lacking autonomy? Or might it be both these groups like what they like because of internal inclinations that just so happen to be aligned with social expectations but still have every right to self determination just like everyone else.

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You want croutons with that word salad?

ElenOfTheWays · 02/06/2026 14:14

ReaperGirl · 01/06/2026 23:54

You lot really are committed to bullying anyone who dares express a dissenting opinion off this board, aren't you.

"You lot"?
now who else do we know who refers to the posters on this board in this dismissive manner? Hmmmm let me think 🤔

Datun · 02/06/2026 14:12

OP, the way to understand that transgenderism is wholly based on regressive stereotypes, and therefore a cause of misogyny, not a victim of it, is to ask a transwomen why they think they're a woman.

The only answer possible is stereotypes.

And as evidenced by the men on this thread, the male socialisation just goes into overdrive on the back of it.

It's laughable that they claim to inhabit female stereotypes, when they exhibit brutal, violent male socialisation.

Forcing their presence into women's spaces, including online, pouring piss on themselves, battering and threatening women with rape.

And then go onto say how marvellous it is that, akcherlly, women like high heels, tight skirts and lording it sartorially over other women.

Transgenderism fetishises women's oppression. They're never excited or aroused by raising the kids, taking care of elderly parents or writing the Christmas cards, are they?

It's all about big boobs, fishnets and, as they so frequently tell us, being treated like a piece of meat.

There IS no way for a man to claim to be a woman unless he is basing it on stereotypes.

And so many of these men like to portray the most detrimental stereotypes they can.

Because they're not identifying as women, they're using them.

It IS misogyny.

MyAmpleSheep · 02/06/2026 14:09

BananaPeels · 02/06/2026 13:49

I still don’t get the point. Women and men have different bodies and look good in different clothes. We wear different clothes to look sexy to the opposite sex isn’t strange. Animals have different markings and feathers for that reason. Of course men’s clothes are designed to attract the opposite sex (or their own if so inclined). It is just their method of attraction is different as - men and women are different biologically! That’s the point. And as it happens women look just as attractive and jeans and t-shirts as men do

how Is a women wearing short dress different to a man wearing shorts with no top on?

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how Is a women wearing short dress different to a man wearing shorts with no top on?

Men don't stand around outside nightclubs in shorts when it's significantly below freezing.

Gotobedbyday · 02/06/2026 14:06

BananaPeels · 02/06/2026 13:49

I still don’t get the point. Women and men have different bodies and look good in different clothes. We wear different clothes to look sexy to the opposite sex isn’t strange. Animals have different markings and feathers for that reason. Of course men’s clothes are designed to attract the opposite sex (or their own if so inclined). It is just their method of attraction is different as - men and women are different biologically! That’s the point. And as it happens women look just as attractive and jeans and t-shirts as men do

how Is a women wearing short dress different to a man wearing shorts with no top on?

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High heels, long hair, the colour pink, makeup, lace, leg defining hosiery have all been considered the height of masculinity. People though men looked at their best in them.

MyAmpleSheep · 02/06/2026 14:06

BananaPeels · 02/06/2026 13:49

I still don’t get the point. Women and men have different bodies and look good in different clothes. We wear different clothes to look sexy to the opposite sex isn’t strange. Animals have different markings and feathers for that reason. Of course men’s clothes are designed to attract the opposite sex (or their own if so inclined). It is just their method of attraction is different as - men and women are different biologically! That’s the point. And as it happens women look just as attractive and jeans and t-shirts as men do

how Is a women wearing short dress different to a man wearing shorts with no top on?

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I will try to put the point more succinctly then.

Women and men have different bodies and look good in different clothes.

The difference is in the kinds of clothes in which (in the aggregate) men and women feel they "look good."

Abiding by stereotypes, men look good in clothes and styles that denote seniority, accomplishment and ability. Seniority, accomplishment and ability exist outside the male-female sex binary. A man in practical bike leathers is sexy. A man in bike leathers too fine to be of any practical use is a fashion victim.

Women look good (again, abiding by stereotype) in clothes and styles that amplify female primary and secondary sexual characteristics, which are only distinguishable by reference to the male-female sex binary. Those clothes and styles actually hinder ability and accomplishment. A woman in heels is sexy. A woman in heels too high to walk in is "sexier".

And as it happens women look just as attractive and jeans and t-shirts as men do

Trans-identifying men don't post pictures of themselves in jeans and t-shirts because those clothes aren't sex coded as worn by women.

men’s clothes are designed to attract the opposite sex

No, on the whole, they're not. They're designed for comfort, practicality, or to signify wealth or success.

nicepotoftea · 02/06/2026 13:53

BananaPeels · 02/06/2026 13:49

I still don’t get the point. Women and men have different bodies and look good in different clothes. We wear different clothes to look sexy to the opposite sex isn’t strange. Animals have different markings and feathers for that reason. Of course men’s clothes are designed to attract the opposite sex (or their own if so inclined). It is just their method of attraction is different as - men and women are different biologically! That’s the point. And as it happens women look just as attractive and jeans and t-shirts as men do

how Is a women wearing short dress different to a man wearing shorts with no top on?

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Accepting that people of both sexes sometimes wear clothes to be sexually attractive to men, sometimes people are just wearing clothes.

BananaPeels · 02/06/2026 13:49

MyAmpleSheep · 02/06/2026 13:46

Why only pick female clothes and not male clothes?

I'm not picking only on clothes. But, I think the answer is plain. Female clothes and symbols get less and less practical the more "female" they get. The shorter your dress the less it functions to (in your words) "cover body parts and regulate temperature". The taller your heel the less well you can run; the pointier the toe, the more they damage your feet. The heavier your jewellery the less you are able to do manual work. The longer your nails the less you're able to use your hands.

Which male clothes or symbols would you choose to pick on? Let's look at the Village People for some very sexualized male attire and symbolism: construction helmets protect the wearer's head. Native American headdresses connote seniority and leadership. Motorcycle leathers protect the wearer from skin lacerations in the event of a fall. Military and police uniforms promote unit cohesion and top-down obedience. All of these primary functions are practical, and any sexuality associated with them is associative. Other "male" symbols would be heavy musculature (practical), rougher fabrics (again, hard wearing and practical). Not a single one of them is created from the basis of their effect on women.

I still don’t get the point. Women and men have different bodies and look good in different clothes. We wear different clothes to look sexy to the opposite sex isn’t strange. Animals have different markings and feathers for that reason. Of course men’s clothes are designed to attract the opposite sex (or their own if so inclined). It is just their method of attraction is different as - men and women are different biologically! That’s the point. And as it happens women look just as attractive and jeans and t-shirts as men do

how Is a women wearing short dress different to a man wearing shorts with no top on?

PopstarPoppy · 02/06/2026 13:47

Baileyonice · 02/06/2026 02:41

Best educate yourself of your ideological 'limitations' first. There are a couple of reasons why you are failing to grasp her post.

Firstly, you don't seem to understand the guiding principle of feminism which is self determination that isn't limited by reproductive biological characteristics. Principles retain their legitimacy only when they are consistently held. One simply can't demand self determination for one's self (women) & deny it to others (trans people). Reducing trans people's identity to deluded 'performers' of the opposite sex is an attack on their self determination which ironically mirrors MRA's who reduce feminism to simply 'man envy' rather than recognise their inherent psychological interchangeability with men. See the parallels between trans & women's struggles?

The second reason you are struggling to understand her post is gender critical ideology is underpinned by blank slatism. That is, they don't believe feminine & masculine expressions are organic inclinations rather imposed culturally as Germaine Greer explains below all while she is ironically 'performing' stereotypical femininity with her feminine presentation.

What gender critical's & GG seem to miss is humans don't blindly replicate one another. We don't do monkey see monkey do. There's usually what's called a 'missing link' where 'copying' is preceded by an organic inclination to a preference. Our inclinations often have deep roots in genetic & hormonal influences that form our personality traits. Again, feminism wasn't about 'copying' men because there was nothing to copy. We women already had within us the same psychological traits that legitimised equal treatment.

Another example of transphobia being rooted in misogyny is how much more trans women are demonised & dehumanised than trans men particularly as being motivated by sexual deviancy & predation.

The common refrain we hear from GC talking points is 'trans people promote stereotypes by claiming the are the opposite gender' but even if they didn't claim they were the opposite gender we all know that despite what a natal male who expresses feminine presentation calls themselves it would still be socially unacceptable but not so for a butch natal female. Clearly there's misogynist social expectations regarding gender expression that is unrelated to what trans people call themselves & yet trans people are accused of being the enablers of it.

Now some might say that trans people promote sexist stereotypes by expressing traditional /feminine behaviours but don't cis women too? Aren't they 'promoting' misogyny too? Or are they 'let off the hook' for 'not knowing any better' as hapless 'victims' lacking autonomy? Or might it be both these groups like what they like because of internal inclinations that just so happen to be aligned with social expectations but still have every right to self determination just like everyone else.

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It makes me sick when people in favour of gender ideology tell those who disagree with them that they need to 'educate' themselves. It's like something out of 1984. And as if you're pushing facts, rather than ideals and feelings, and you're 'right'. Just one of many insults wielded by the people wedded to a cause they cannot justify in plain English.

MyAmpleSheep · 02/06/2026 13:46

BananaPeels · 02/06/2026 13:32

What intrinsic practical problem does any fashionable item solve in its own right other than its basic function to cover body parts and regulate temperature? Why only pick female clothes and not male clothes?

Why only pick female clothes and not male clothes?

I'm not picking only on clothes. But, I think the answer is plain. Female clothes and symbols get less and less practical the more "female" they get. The shorter your dress the less it functions to (in your words) "cover body parts and regulate temperature". The taller your heel the less well you can run; the pointier the toe, the more they damage your feet. The heavier your jewellery the less you are able to do manual work. The longer your nails the less you're able to use your hands.

Which male clothes or symbols would you choose to pick on? Let's look at the Village People for some very sexualized male attire and symbolism: construction helmets protect the wearer's head. Native American headdresses connote seniority and leadership. Motorcycle leathers protect the wearer from skin lacerations in the event of a fall. Military and police uniforms promote unit cohesion and top-down obedience. All of these primary functions are practical, and any sexuality associated with them is associative. Other "male" symbols would be heavy musculature (practical), rougher fabrics (again, hard wearing and practical). Not a single one of them is created from the basis of their effect on women.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 02/06/2026 13:34

PencilNeck · 02/06/2026 12:54

Just because women use feminine attire to attract men doesn't mean they don't enjoy it on other levels as an expression of their authenticity.

Do you understand how breathtakingly sexist this is?

I know! Honestly, I feel like I'm trying to describe the mechanics of black holes to someone who thinks the stars are painted on a dark blue bowl just outside the atmosphere.

BananaPeels · 02/06/2026 13:32

MyAmpleSheep · 02/06/2026 13:10

Feminine-coded choices only exist because they affect men - male gaze, male attraction. There is not a single practical problem that high heels, lipstick, makeup and other expressions of being feminine solve in their own right. If they had no effect on men they would not persist.

If a woman enjoys these things that is her right but it’s quite wrong to say that they are authentic of anything other than a role in a game centred on men. Even if that’s not the social game she thinks she’s playing, the tools she’s playing with were sculpted because of the way men react to them.

What intrinsic practical problem does any fashionable item solve in its own right other than its basic function to cover body parts and regulate temperature? Why only pick female clothes and not male clothes?

GreyskySexRealistsky · 02/06/2026 13:26

Don't forget Western economies would go down the pan if women didn't buy fashion, make up and jewellery!

A poster called Howse told us that last year...

Gotobedbyday · 02/06/2026 13:24

If high heels were intrinsically feminine then women would wear them in all cultures and historical periods. They don’t and didn’t.

MyAmpleSheep · 02/06/2026 13:10

Baileyonice · 02/06/2026 10:20

I don't need to speak for all women. One exception to your sexist ideas is enough to break your sexist "theory".
And mate, there are so many more than one of us.

Really? The movement has clearly plateaued with a significant global & generational disinterest. GC ideology is very particular to the UK.

Ironically you actually picked a great example to demonstrate how society makes it rational for women to act against our own long term interests.

Err, humans aren't amoebas as in they are capable of complex thinking. I know this may become a shock to some here but many women enjoy their sexuality & often use feminine coded fashion choices to enhance it like high heel & fitted, sheer clothing. Women also enjoy the artistry & beauty in women's fashion including the feminine kind. Women use feminine attire to command hierarchical power over other women. There's also a sense of celebrating woman hood in accentuating it & the list goes on.

Just because women use feminine attire to attract men doesn't mean they don't enjoy it on other levels as an expression of their authenticity.

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Feminine-coded choices only exist because they affect men - male gaze, male attraction. There is not a single practical problem that high heels, lipstick, makeup and other expressions of being feminine solve in their own right. If they had no effect on men they would not persist.

If a woman enjoys these things that is her right but it’s quite wrong to say that they are authentic of anything other than a role in a game centred on men. Even if that’s not the social game she thinks she’s playing, the tools she’s playing with were sculpted because of the way men react to them.

PencilNeck · 02/06/2026 12:54

Just because women use feminine attire to attract men doesn't mean they don't enjoy it on other levels as an expression of their authenticity.

Do you understand how breathtakingly sexist this is?

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