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Be Kind 2.0 and the "Persuasive TRA"

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BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 01/06/2026 12:00

This is a spinoff from another thread so as not to derail the original.

I thought it would be helpful to have a separate thread to discuss, and document, a phenomenon I have been seeing more regularly recently: the Persuasive TRA.

It occurred to me, after a few posters noted that the recent U-turns by a couple of politicians, and the wheedling TRA responses to the EHRC guidance, were akin to an abuser changing tactics and also asking us to "help" them in the new single-sex regime, that the whole thing is starting to pan out exactly as an abusive relationship often does. When is the most dangerous time for a woman in an abusive relationship? Normally, when she is leaving.

Well, women are leaving the abusive relationship with non-reality that men forced upon us some 15 years ago, and I would argue that now might be our most dangerous/difficult moment.

This is what I posted on the other thread:

I'm starting to see a bit more of what I am calling (in my own head) "Persuasive TRA." Now that they have lost everything that they bullied women for, some activists seem to be changing tack. Women must now fix the situation that TRAs have found themselves in. It seems to pivot on a sort of Be Kind 2.0.

I think women who have been in the game long enough will see through it, but we should be watchful. Stonewall is pivoting, activists are pivoting, and they will be preying on women's socialized kindness: watch for the destination and be on your guard.

I have read several posters on different threads appealing to everyone (women) to help calm trans-identified people's (men's) fears about what this new reality will look like, what it will mean for them (the men) now that they can't just do whatever they want anymore. What about the men's toilets? Are they safe? Where will they go? (Who will fix this problem?)

Well, apparently it is a problem that women can fix, if they just take a moment to think about it. Trans-identified men will be unsafe in the men's, so women need to join the fight to give these men something of their own.

Notice the pivot? The pleading? If you just... If you weren't so.... It can be different if you just... Sound familiar? To any woman who is in, or has escaped from, an abusive relationship, this will be all too familiar.

This is Be Kind 2.0. It's very similar to the original, except that instead of being forced to enjoy our abuse, we are being asked to fix it. And the "Persuasive TRAs" seem to be mobilizing, from what I have seen.

It won't start in the middle (with the women); it will start at the top (infiltrating government, think tanks, charities, etc.) and the bottom (schools). But they will use women to get this moving. Why not? It worked so well last time. And I believe that organizations like Stonewall will be leading the charge: the campaign can be something like Safe Spaces for Trans+ : All of Us Together.

If anyone else has seen this in action, it might be useful to keep a record of it here.

I imagine this thread will eventually be taken over by activists, but, until then, I would be interested in your thoughts.

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BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 02/06/2026 22:37

BruachAbhann · 02/06/2026 19:59

It really is a weird feeling. I've noticed this argument style a lot recently and it's given me a sense of uncanny valley. I know they are trying to use our arguments against us and yet what they are saying makes no sense. It's the same feeling I get watching a very realistic AI-generated person. In fact, maybe the responses themselves are AI and they've just typed in 'use GC arguments to defend your position'.

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Something just reminded me- this is something @Igmum picked up on earlier, and she called it "wearing our arguments."

Maybe they are using AI to help them with this.

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mrshoho · 02/06/2026 22:28

Great thread with so many excellent observations and points!

The forced teaming suggestions by the TRAs is about 15 years too late for me. They can fuck right off and sort their own mess now. Just imagine how much we could have all achieved if Trans movement hadn't had such absurd and totally illogical demands. Instead it's been years and years of battling to keep hold of and win back our rights.

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BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 02/06/2026 22:20

Mapletree1985 · 02/06/2026 21:30

Very astute observation, OP. Now that you put it into words, I've realized I have also been seeing this.

It is reassuring to know that it isn't just me ! Something is shifting, but it's difficult to pin down at the moment, so just trying to keep my eye on lots of avenues.

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BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 02/06/2026 22:18

CassOle · 02/06/2026 21:28

There has also been a lot of 'is' and 'ought' being brought up by the TRAs recently.

Yes, I have noticed that as well, and remarked about it on a couple of threads recently, but the word salad being presented was just impenetrable to me (I suppose that's the point), so I still don't really understand it. It seems to be lifted from some new rule book. Must keep an eye out for it again!

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Mapletree1985 · 02/06/2026 21:30

Very astute observation, OP. Now that you put it into words, I've realized I have also been seeing this.

CassOle · 02/06/2026 21:28

There has also been a lot of 'is' and 'ought' being brought up by the TRAs recently.

JanesLittleGirl · 02/06/2026 20:49

To borrow a quote that is as old as democracy "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance".

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BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 02/06/2026 20:11

BruachAbhann · 02/06/2026 19:59

It really is a weird feeling. I've noticed this argument style a lot recently and it's given me a sense of uncanny valley. I know they are trying to use our arguments against us and yet what they are saying makes no sense. It's the same feeling I get watching a very realistic AI-generated person. In fact, maybe the responses themselves are AI and they've just typed in 'use GC arguments to defend your position'.

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You might be on to something, never even considered that. Well, I suppose they will try everything they can, and come at us from all angles!

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BruachAbhann · 02/06/2026 19:59

Igmum · 01/06/2026 12:58

Spot on Bridget. There’s still some throwing their toys out of the pram but others have moved on to big pleading eyes and pllllleeeeaaassse.

Marie I think the distorted mirroring has been going on forever (DARVO, rights aren’t top trumps), it’s as though as well as skin walking women they want to wear our arguments as well. It’s a genuinely weird feeling to see an argument for women’s rights on here then, 6-18 m later, hear it adopted by TRAs.

It really is a weird feeling. I've noticed this argument style a lot recently and it's given me a sense of uncanny valley. I know they are trying to use our arguments against us and yet what they are saying makes no sense. It's the same feeling I get watching a very realistic AI-generated person. In fact, maybe the responses themselves are AI and they've just typed in 'use GC arguments to defend your position'.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/06/2026 16:07

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 02/06/2026 15:54

Earlier MN thread about Diversity Role Models, from 2024.
Interesting that Stonewall just decided to partner with them on 2 June, 2026:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5036673-diversity-role-models-charity

It's worse than I had thought ( thanks to @MrsOvertonsWindow)

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/03/2024 14:50
Safe Schools Alliance & Transgender Trend have exposed how unsuitable these adult activists are to work with children in schools.
The SSA information highlights how DRM's online presence renders them unsuitable to be working with children & clarifies how this breaches DfE guidelines. They openly promote mixed sex changing, showers etc and got into hot water during lockdown for promoting the dodgy "‘love has no age’ and ‘love has no age limit’" paedophile associated slogans in an Asda funded home learning pack.
https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Parents-Guide-to-external-PSHE-RSE-providers.pdf
They make a good living out of children in schools but are unfortunately are a queer theory activist group so not politically impartial
https://www.transgendertrend.com/diversity-role-models-conformity-new-ideology/
Lots of information in the links to use in asking the school why they are outsourcing their inclusion work to an adult group like this.

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Transgender Trend have diligently researched all the queer theory groups making a living out of schools and exposed the complicity of the DfE, professional organisations, local authorities & of course schools in enabling them to have uncritical access to children of all ages.

Their complete failure to prioritise safeguarding and the legal requirement for schools to be politically impartial in the face of the demands of "the sacred caste" is shameful.

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BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 02/06/2026 15:59

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/06/2026 15:57

In 2020, this was what I was remembering

Thank you, looks like Stonewall has either forgotten (or think we have forgotten), or don't care.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/06/2026 15:57

In 2020, this was what I was remembering

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BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 02/06/2026 15:54

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 02/06/2026 15:22

One to watch:

Diversity Role Models
Charity number: 1142548

Partnered with Stonewall, June 2026

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/news/diversity-role-models-joins-the-stonewall-family-to-expand-support-for-schools-and-young-people-across-the-uk

Activities - how the charity spends its money
DIVERSITY ROLE MODELS ACTIVELY SEEKS TO PREVENT HOMOPHOBIC, BIPHOBIC AND TRANSPHOBIC BULLYING IN UNITED KINGDOM SCHOOLS. WE AIM TO STOP BULLYING BEFORE IT HAPPENS BY EDUCATING ALL YOUNG PEOPLE ABOUT DIFFERENCES IN SEXUALITY AND GENDER IDENTITY, BY PROVIDING TRAINING FOR SCHOOL STAFF AND GOVERNORS AND BY OFFERING CONSULTANCY TO SCHOOLS.

Earlier MN thread about Diversity Role Models, from 2024.
Interesting that Stonewall just decided to partner with them on 2 June, 2026:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5036673-diversity-role-models-charity

It's worse than I had thought ( thanks to @MrsOvertonsWindow)

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/03/2024 14:50
Safe Schools Alliance & Transgender Trend have exposed how unsuitable these adult activists are to work with children in schools.
The SSA information highlights how DRM's online presence renders them unsuitable to be working with children & clarifies how this breaches DfE guidelines. They openly promote mixed sex changing, showers etc and got into hot water during lockdown for promoting the dodgy "‘love has no age’ and ‘love has no age limit’" paedophile associated slogans in an Asda funded home learning pack.
https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Parents-Guide-to-external-PSHE-RSE-providers.pdf
They make a good living out of children in schools but are unfortunately are a queer theory activist group so not politically impartial
https://www.transgendertrend.com/diversity-role-models-conformity-new-ideology/
Lots of information in the links to use in asking the school why they are outsourcing their inclusion work to an adult group like this.

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BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 02/06/2026 15:49

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/06/2026 15:43

We’ve definitely had a thread about them before but I can’t remember the details.

Diversity Role Models? ok,thanks, will see what MN search throws up.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/06/2026 15:43

We’ve definitely had a thread about them before but I can’t remember the details.

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BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 02/06/2026 15:22

One to watch:

Diversity Role Models
Charity number: 1142548

Partnered with Stonewall, June 2026

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/news/diversity-role-models-joins-the-stonewall-family-to-expand-support-for-schools-and-young-people-across-the-uk

Activities - how the charity spends its money
DIVERSITY ROLE MODELS ACTIVELY SEEKS TO PREVENT HOMOPHOBIC, BIPHOBIC AND TRANSPHOBIC BULLYING IN UNITED KINGDOM SCHOOLS. WE AIM TO STOP BULLYING BEFORE IT HAPPENS BY EDUCATING ALL YOUNG PEOPLE ABOUT DIFFERENCES IN SEXUALITY AND GENDER IDENTITY, BY PROVIDING TRAINING FOR SCHOOL STAFF AND GOVERNORS AND BY OFFERING CONSULTANCY TO SCHOOLS.

An arrow and text reading 'Stonewall'

Diversity Role Models joins the Stonewall family to expand support…

Stonewall is part of a vibrant, growing and global movement advocating for LGBTQ+ rights. Over the last 35+ years, we have helped create transformative…

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/news/diversity-role-models-joins-the-stonewall-family-to-expand-support-for-schools-and-young-people-across-the-uk

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BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 02/06/2026 14:50

If you are ever bored, and have literally nothing else to do (such as scraping all the tiny scrapings of peanut butter out of a glass jar so you can wash it and recycle it...or similar), you might want to read the following. It's the first of what will no doubt be many "interesting" pieces of evidence I shall look into from time to time (I won't post them all, never fear!).

It starts with a response to an FOI request to the ONS about contact with various "gender ideology " proponents, then the second link is to the "minutes" that ONS provided as part of answering the request.

I've no doubt that this FOI has been shared somewhere on Mumsnet, but life's too short to spend time trying to track it down!

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/meetingswithtransactualstonewallgenderedintelligenceandgiressince2018

https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/meetingswithtransactualstonewallgenderedintelligenceandgiressince2018/collatedmeetingnotesstonewallonsredacted.pdf

Some very interesting reasoning during these discussions...especially with regard to how young is "too young" to declare a gender identity. I know none of this will be new to you...

I'm also on the lookout for any of Stonewall's recent minutes, if anyone has any ideas? So far, no joy on their website, so am now doing searches, when I get a moment.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2Faboutus%2Ftransparencyandgovernance%2Ffreedomofinformationfoi%2Fmeetingswithtransactualstonewallgenderedintelligenceandgiressince2018%2Fcollatedmeetingnotesstonewallonsredacted.pdf

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BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 02/06/2026 13:26

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 02/06/2026 11:09

@BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth And that I can't find the list of employers on their Proud Employers list. It seems to be hidden behind a "members only" wall.

They hid the Diversity Chamions list towards the end of its life, but we can look for accreditation logos:
If your organisation achieves accreditation, you will receive a celebration pack that includes your new accreditation logos for use on your communication channels. You will be able to use your accreditation for two calendar years.

Good point, I shall look out for that!

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BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 02/06/2026 13:26

MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/06/2026 11:36

This is what all parents need to be on the lookout for. The new RHSE guidance and the forthcoming Keeping Children Safe in Education guidance will make it much more difficult for trans extremist / queer theory groups to get legitimate access to children in schools. The problem is transactivist staff and whether leadership teams have the knowledge and competence to manage them and ensure they stop gaslighting children and "queering" the curriculum behind the scenes.
Hopefully parental oversight and children feeling more confident in speaking up as the trans bullies lose their power will result in extremists being limited in getting access to children.

(Sorry - don't mean to derail this fascinating discussion but it's so important to be vigilant with schools).

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Not derailing at all! This tidal wave of misogyny has to eventually wash up somewhere, it's not going to just dissipate, as we all know. So it's important to be aware of every angle we can think of. I do think schools and activist employees were a weak point, and still are.

I imagine the brouhaha about toilets will eventually subside, because it never was about toilets anyway. That was just the most visible aspect of the ideology. What most of these men want is to shift society so that they can do whatever they want with women and children. If that wasn't the ultimate goal, then they would never have dragged the rest of us into this mess. And they would still be doing their "things" in private, and most of us would never have known.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/06/2026 11:36

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 02/06/2026 10:13

Yup. I'm pretty certain even Stonewall is confused right now about what term to use, since they're both made-up terms anyway. They're floundering, and just try to cover all the bases. It'll take a while, but I think eventually we will see where they've landed and where they are heading.

The fact that they are still working in schools worries me. And that I can't find the list of employers on their Proud Employers list. It seems to be hidden behind a "members only" wall.

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This is what all parents need to be on the lookout for. The new RHSE guidance and the forthcoming Keeping Children Safe in Education guidance will make it much more difficult for trans extremist / queer theory groups to get legitimate access to children in schools. The problem is transactivist staff and whether leadership teams have the knowledge and competence to manage them and ensure they stop gaslighting children and "queering" the curriculum behind the scenes.
Hopefully parental oversight and children feeling more confident in speaking up as the trans bullies lose their power will result in extremists being limited in getting access to children.

(Sorry - don't mean to derail this fascinating discussion but it's so important to be vigilant with schools).

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 02/06/2026 11:09

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HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 02/06/2026 11:09

@BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth And that I can't find the list of employers on their Proud Employers list. It seems to be hidden behind a "members only" wall.

They hid the Diversity Chamions list towards the end of its life, but we can look for accreditation logos:
If your organisation achieves accreditation, you will receive a celebration pack that includes your new accreditation logos for use on your communication channels. You will be able to use your accreditation for two calendar years.

ApplebyArrows · 02/06/2026 10:48

I can imagine some trans women genuinely feel unsafe in men's toilets. They may even genuinely be unsafe.

I don't imagine the ones getting aggressive in public are typically in this category. Men are usually only violent if they think they can get away with it. A clearly unhinged six-foot-tall man is not a likely target for other men even if he is wearing a dress.

These vocal activists also show such remarkably low levels of empathy for women (they claim to know what it is to be scared in toilets but don't seem to understand how other people might be scared of them!) that one can't help but suspect that making women uncomfortable is actually part of what they're aiming for. Their protests often target women specifically.

So those most vocally campaigning to be in the women's toilets will not accept third or fourth spaces as a compromise. Being in the women's space is the point.

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BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 02/06/2026 10:13

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Yup. I'm pretty certain even Stonewall is confused right now about what term to use, since they're both made-up terms anyway. They're floundering, and just try to cover all the bases. It'll take a while, but I think eventually we will see where they've landed and where they are heading.

The fact that they are still working in schools worries me. And that I can't find the list of employers on their Proud Employers list. It seems to be hidden behind a "members only" wall.

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