Be Kind 2.0 and the "Persuasive TRA"

@TransParentlyAnnoyed can I suggest directing your outrage to the trans activists who have really done a number on a generation of children like yours. Imagine feeding children the most ridiculous idea that it would be easy to change sex. These kids were told that no one would be allowed question or comment or disagree. Only affirmation of their decision. What arrogance on the part of the trans ideology activists, forcing people to collude with the deception or be labelled transphobic. Children's books, educational literature, tv shows, online accounts all pushing our children towards the normalisation of the idea that children are so often born on the wrong body. Adults who should have known better too scared to say No to the nonsense. I'd be absolutely fuming at the trans rights activists if I were in your shoes.

I did ask for evidence, but the transparent one failed to provide it.

Yeah, that massive increase in anti-trans violence, and the court cases that must have followed. And all the reports of tribunals where transpeople had been unfairly treated, or denied service. I must have missed all the headlines in the Guardian and the Independent.

All the terf movement has accomplished is a massive increase in anti-trans violence. But then, it was meant to.
Links please. To both the massive increase AND your statement about the intentions.

I don't automatically accept anyone's word who are so keen to lie to their own child, and letting their child think they can change sex is a humongous lie.

Talk to men.

Women aren't the problem.

Bye.

And made many more thousands relieved not to have to go along with the pretence that they can’t tell one of their members is male.

Suspect it's the realisation that society is finally telling this immensely powerful lobby NO for the first time. The clarity of the SC judgment and the EHRC guidelines confirming that men have no right to be in places where girls and women undress after all the years of breaching boundaries must be a shock.

Children have always been weaponised by the trans lobby in a myriad of ways and this is just a continuation of that.

Something in the water in TRA circles today I think, the drama and handwringing and turning the stories of vulnerable children into cannon fodder is off the scale in more places than just FWR.

You are making a couple of unsubstantiated assumptions.

The first is that all your child's unhappiness stems from the world's failure to fully accept them as a boy (although they are, I assume, quite obviously a girl)

The second is that gender critical women seeking to defend women's spaces from being encroached on by men are somehow responsible for all the horrendous bullying experienced by your child at the hands of, as far as I can tell, mostly men and boys. That if women weren't standing up for their rights, it would never occur to these men and boys to bully your gender non-conforming child.

That transgenderism is a real thing, rather than an escape hatch from the curse of femaleness, clutched at by young girls frightened and made miserable by the way society treats women.

Your child's best hope for the future is for women to win their fight and ensure safe places are available and respected for everyone of the female sex, regardless of what gender they identity with.

I’m a long time supporter of gay marriage equality etc. A gay man called me online a Terf, as it happens I know his real name, he’s lecturing in the UK and we are both Irish, another gay man, English, I was friends with on that same website told me how uncomfortable he was with the the whole trans issues, he said he didn’t agree and could see it causing a backlash down the line … At work abroad, I live on the continent, yet another gay man, young, realised one day I was a feminist, he was such a coward he said he refused to discuss/debate anything trans, he said to my face that I was a Terf.

This last +/- 10 years have been difficult, Irish women won abortion rights, then we were beyond happy, to have been the first country to vote for gay marriage equality. Suddenly we were attacked on female safe spaces. Totally blindsided. Ireland is still totally captured. It’s very upsetting. .

So, NO. Won’t be supporting men on ANY aspect of transsexuals whinging now. I have ZERO sympathy for them. I’ll not be fooled to “be kind”. In fact I’m raging.

I’ve a lot of sympathy for the lesbian girls who believe they are males. I know of two such delusional women, early twenties, via my children. I’m not allowed speak on this ….

@TransParentlyAnnoyedLots of trans-identified males treat the trans-identified females just like men have always treated women. The misogyny lives on beyond the gender swap. Current thread on reddit written by trans-identified females:

I feel at times that some trans women literally only bring up trans guys to use that line about "big burly bearded guys" having to use the women's bathroom as an argument in bathroom ban threads.
Just feels so underhanded and tokenistic.

I didn't feel that supported by the biggest local charity as it was pretty much run by trans women for trans women and there was even a few resignations from the management because one of the leaders said they actively dislike transmasc people.

Thank you for this! I remember when the SC ruling came out and I was seeing posts from trans women I know irl saying "I don't want to hear anything from trans men about how this affects them" (implying it doesn't) I was gutted.

I think the worst experience is being a recently turned middle age trans guy next to this boomer trans lady leader lecturing me on the Patriarchy as if I haven't LIVED through it my whole life. All while she herself promotes toxic masculine and sexist stereo types when it comes to transition which guess what counts as drum roll please Patriarchy!

honestly, same. i feel so guilty about it every time i think "okay, protect the dolls, but what about the rest of us?". like conventionally attractive, skinny, white, western trans women who can afford a bunch of e and surgeries are the only kind of trans person that exists?

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1tqjf3q/icantbelieveihavetosaythisbuttrans/

It's not the first thread making those complaints, and it won't be the last. We had a trans-identified female used to post on here and she agreed that this, in general, is their behaviour.

We are far more concerned for the welfare of these women and girls, including women like your daughter, than many of the trans-identified males are. Men gonna men, even after a gender swap. It just shows how ridiculous this whole ideology is.

I didn't say you made your child trans.

I said if you told them that the world would all pretend that they were the opposite sex, that was wrong of you to do so. You don't get to force people into colluding with lies.

And I sick to the back teeth of people like you implying that there is anything wrong with women standing up for their legal rights to single sex spaces. It is a disgraceful position to take. How dare you.

The reason why militant TRAs have gotten as far as they have is because the world is unfortunately deeply misogynistic. Far too many people think that men's demands are more important than women's rights, women's needs, women's dignity. And I will be calling out this bullshit anywhere I see it.

Well done for paying attention - he's a trans guy.

Women have single-sex faclities containing cubicles. Completely public ones, which have always been deeply unsafe because of their remoteness.

And now, they'll have Toilet Police and far more gender-neutral cubicles.

Your belief that I somehow made my child trans is just ignorance. And a frankly rubbish defence to my explanation of how anti-trans activism has affected him.

Without that activism, his life would have been so much better.

Why do you think there's been so much opposition to the terf movement? The crowds at trans Pride events are mainly cis people, reacting with horror to how much violence and harassment their trans relatives, friends and colleagues have experienced.

Are they? I'm confused about the reference then. Are they saying trans identified females are the subject of violence? From who?

@TheKeatingFive the posters son is female

Oh please, don't be ridiculous.

Women have the right to single sex spaces. They have the right to defend them against men who want to take them away.

If you let your child believe that society would go along with the pretence that they are a woman, that women's spaces belonged to him - you were absolutely wrong to do so. I'm sure that's hard to come to terms with, but that's not our problem.

You wrote a cheque that you expected the rest of us to cash. But you didn't even ask before you did that. That's coming back to bite you now.

That's not all the "terf movement" has accomplished. Don't forget the SC judgment.

Evidence for this upturn in anti trans violence please?

No, it's yours to enable. That's my point.

We have no safe spaces. Protesting trans people using locked cubicles alongside us, in fully public spaces, is not virtuous, or saving anyone.

All the terf movement has accomplished is a massive increase in anti-trans violence. But then, it was meant to.

(Oh wait, I forgot! It also stopped a few trans women chatting to their mates while making sandwiches in the WI. Upsetting thousands of women in the process. What an amazing victory that was.)

It is not for women and girls to endure what they may feel is harassment and indignity and an invasion of their privacy to appease and validate a male who believes they are the oppose sex on the basis that they have suffered sexual abuse, trauma and harassment themselves. They should go to therapy instead of expecting others to go through what they have to enable trans identity.

The same also applies to women who believe they are men though the impact of this is perhaps not quite as significant.

Basically the trauma of your child is not for us to fix.