Russell T Davies says he has gender critical friends - drama ensues

Well, I suppose the BBC has made it clear to all exactly what it left out in its first report.

Drawing more attention to those facets of the case than if it had included them in the first place.

And raising, in at least some readers' minds, the question "Why did it leave those details out? What possible reason could there be?"

Great article, the two linked mantrums in the metro and independent are hilarious. And Victoria rightly points out that violence and threats don’t only come from cliched beered up football fans, she mentions the jailing of Darren Rigby (the BBC article has already had to be corrected for leaving out “key facts” 🙄:

”…We have updated the article to explain that his threats were directed at three all-girls schools, related to the “misgendering” of trans girls and that Darren Rigby identified in one threat as a trans woman.

We have also included further details from these communications which referred to TERFs, targeting female pupils and staff and included threats to use bladed weapons (my note: one of these schools was in Southport 😡) a crossbow, a revolver, and poison.

Separately, we have also added reaction from senior leaders at all three schools, in which they explain the fear, disruption and upset caused by these threats to pupils, parents and staff. (continues)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0e20ll9gz2o

He's a secret Terf. It's the only explanation for the ridiculous dialogue where a trans identified young man scolded the Doctor for failing to ask an alien's gender.

There was a time when RTD didn't just do dramas about the LGBTQ community or magic space aliens. The Grand from what I remember of it was proper watchable

Of course he brought in another gay man to advise. What he presumably didn’t do was speak to any women who don’t share the belief that Juno Dawson is, in any way, a woman.

If he lets Juno Dawson advise, the gender critical person will either repent with much sorrow and wailing about how awful they had been, or be horribly murdered by the more enlightened souls.

RTD is now a folk villain to the Who spods. Also they're still thrashing him for fraternising with The Terf Enemy

Thanks for this! Love Victoria Smith - she always manages to name that thing that has been bothering me about something:

“…it is a lazy reinforcement of the trans activist position that “terfs” are jealously restricting access to the Barbie Dream House experience that is being a woman. We’re allowed — in Tip Toe, as in Adolescence — to contemplate how hard male conditioning is, and how it distorts the mind. Female conditioning? Not so much. Do that, and you take the Dream House refuge away.”

Victoria Smith watched it

https://archive.ph/rAz7s

https://thecritic.co.uk/can-russell-t-davies-write-terfs/

@SnoopyPajamas post was particularly incisive.

I haven’t seen his latest drama and probably won’t but I did lurk on the informative tv pace thread in Telly Addicts and some posts on the thread have summed it up by what I can see.

Is he still killing off his gay characters?

Excellent post @SnoopyPajamas . You are bang on the money with this:

'One of homophobia's most visible recent expressions, actually, has been society funnelling effeminate young gay boys towards transition. But Russell won't say a word about that.'

The Transphobic bastard!

TMAM

From the article writer who previously loved Boy Meets Boy FtM trans person, but admitted that as a gay man himself he wouldn't go out with a FtM because he's a gay man...

Someone has reminded me of Mark Kermode's description of Oliver Stone's films as like being "locked in a room with someone shouting in your face for an hour".

Yeah, that.

Yes agree. There's a term "anvilicious" which means a drama repeatedly bludgeons viewers with A Very Important Message that he lapsed into

It's always state of the nation stuff

I think it's both, to be honest. RTD has been living in an ivory tower for decades now. It's all been posh flats in metro gay districts for him, for years and years. He doesn't know what homophobia looks like outside of that bubble anymore. Just look at that speech he gave a few years back, raging against the founding of the LGB Alliance. "When you exclude you kill" and all that. Gay people wanting their own movement separate from the trans one was a crime akin to murder in his eyes. Absolute fucking derangement, of course, but it tells you everything about how disconnected from reality the man has become.

The thing is though, media types like Russell spend a lot of time online, and can't remain completely unaware of the conversations other people are having. They don't want to touch them with a ten foot pole, but they know they're there. So they try to divert the conversation into something else. It's an old tactic. Misrepresent what people actually think, and then you can build a sort of bogeyman out of your opponent and respond to this made-up entity, instead of actually having to engage. Russell has done the same thing here. He hasn't actually interacted with the working class in years, but he has forty year old memories of them being homophobic to him, so he's all too happy to create a caricature of them as fick, Daily Mail-reading gammon who are one beer away from forming a mob and beating the nearest gay man to death.

And then everyone cries on cue and says "oh, isn't it terrible the way society is going?". As if he's some great observational writer of our time. But he isn't accurately observing anything. His scripts aren't reality, they're The World According To Twitter. But if you try to call out that it's all melodrama, misrepresentation and political agenda, people get upset and call you homophobic. You didn't cry at the obvious, cheap bit of emotional manipulation that was killing off a gay character on television, so you must not care about violence against gay men 🤨🤨🤨

It's Adolescence all over again. Online misogyny is a real issue, but it doesn't look like this silly fictional portrayal of it. Homophobia is on the rise - but it doesn't look like the fevered imaginings of Tip Toe.

One of homophobia's most visible recent expressions, actually, has been society funnelling effeminate young gay boys towards transition. But Russell won't say a word about that.

There have been a lot of articles recently in various outlets about this new series and increased focus on Russell Davies generally. They are written to increase interest, and to get audiences more interested in him and in the new drama series. Conflict is exaggerated and hyped, like the “Rumble in the Jungle” if anyone remembers that. Lots of people now talking about Russell. His people are doing a good job.

They already hated RTD whilst barely 5 years ago they were pining for him like some lost Messiah to come back and make everything better again.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DoctorWhumour/comments/1u1ymib/welcome_to_the_wilderness_years_part_2/

It really was only his pulling power that got fricking Children's programme Doctor Who rebooted in the first place in 2005. You'd think they'd thank him

It always goes like this. I'm surprised when women hear there's going to be a gender critical character on one of these shows and say "I'll tune in and see what it's like". At this stage, you know what it's going to be like. Why give them the ratings?

If by some miracle a mainstream drama actually depicts gender critical views accurately, the backlash from the TRAs will be loud enough that we'll all hear about it. These characters are always depicted as cartoon villains, or well-meaning but stupid people who need to be corrected by a tearful Stunning and Brave. It's going to age horribly when we look back in a few decades time.

I follow a former media/creative type, gay, had civil partnership then marriage to partner at the first opportunity, unthinkingly TWAW, all that.

He has posted a very critical review of Tip Toe. I was a tad surprised.

This is making me smile and I'm not even sorry 😁

He's now claiming that the Christmas Special wasn't even written?

wow! The Reddit Dr Who subs are lit. Makes this thread look like Davies appreciation post. Hell hath no fury like fandom scorned.