Should breast implants for males be made illegal?

for people who say it's their body they can modify as they want, this quickly becomes an absurd idea when you look at most things besides gender. if someone wants to cut off their ears and stick them somewhere else on their body, is it okay cause they want to do it? like nah dawg. society has just legitimized body mutilation for the sake of a mental condition under this one ideology.

Oh god, here we go ...

Is this supposed to be a joke?

End of what? Engaging our brains?

Trans women are women.

End of.

They exist in the same way as any other humans exist. I'm not sure what you're looking for here.

They STILL don't change sex.

FGS, it's a free country. If men want to get cosmetic surgery to look more like women, that's their right. Their body, their choice.

It's a very slippery slope when you start legislating what people may and may not do with their own bodies.

Jesus.

Oh, please. I heard racists and homophobes use that argument last century, we all did.

TIM is a slur. It's used to demean trans women. The abbreviation 'tw' is there, but few on here use it, preferring the slur.

Calling people - individuals - an "ideology" is also a slur. It's used to dehumanise trans people and to construct conspiracy theories about them.

Objecting to trans people - and their families - reacting to those slurs is transphobic too.

You don't get to tell minorities which words are hate speech, and using that hate speech is a choice.

Acknowledging that trans people are individuals, and not offering theories as to why they exist, is respectful. Claiming they are something else, is not.

I'd suggest reading more trans voices. It's Pride month, so why not start?

'Trans identifying male' - sorry, I'm not seeing the slur: they are by definition male, only males can become transwomen; and the identify as transgender.
And 'ideology' is 'naked hatred of a minority'? Is that what it says in your dictionary if you look up 'ideology'?

You're really looking hard for slurs, and in the absence of any, turning ordinary phrases into slurs.

I don't get all this talk about men being still as dangerous because they do or don't put on a dress to enter women's spaces where there are now entitled to be.
You're overcomplicating the issue: where spaces are designated for women, that means biological women, and specifically does NOT mean biological males, however they describe themselves.

Things are probably less complicated, and less slur-filled, than you seem to think!

Wow you are really reading into everything I'm saying, and implying I've said or meant things that I've clearly not. It's clear you either didn't read or didn't understand a word of my post.

Please try not to always take offense to everything, and to accept that others can have differing viewpoints that don't match yours without there being a single shred of hatred behind it. If you always assume the worst from everyone, you'll drive yourself mad looking for purity.

People who you disagree with are also people.

I think if someone was dressing up as a woman only to lure children away a padded bra would work just as well if breast implants were banned

TIM is a slur against trans women. If you're happy using that, aware that its meant to hurt trans women, then you're transphobic.

Calling trans people existing an "ideology" is also transphobic. It's naked hatred of a minority. People are individuals, not a hive mind.

People who respect minorities don't use slurs, simple as.

You're ignoring my point again: trans men are being forced into women's spaces, and by your argument anyone male-looking isn't welcome.

Policing appearance won't make anyone safe because sex offenders are opportunistic and wait until its quiet, targeting lone women. The idea they have more success by putting a dress on first is ridiculous. Once they're away from the scene if a crime, they want to blend in with the crowd & disappear, too.

Trans women don't exist for sexual reasons, they're just trans.

Thanks for cheering me up though. It's been a bleak day, but the idea of someone being "cancelled" in a toilet is just too funny.

Lol I have not used a single slur.

It is no easier for sex offenders. They could walk right in before and women had absolutely zero recourse to ask them to leave without accusations of transphobia and threat of harm or being 'cancelled'. They can still do that now, but at least we have the guidelines in place to state that we can legally confront them, because they're not supposed to be there.

So it's ridiculous to say that men would claim to be trans to get into women's spaces on the one hand, but also totally a valid argument that men would claim to be trans to get into women's spaces? The argument is inconsistent.

Also, polite online discussion does not involve telling people you don't take them seriously or accusing them of any type of 'phobia'. I don't hate trans people. Not one. I hate certain aspects of a very specific ideology which harms women.

Oh. Right. I see. Chinny reckon then, innit.

No, I'm.saying it's far easier for sex offenders now, if you accept the logic of your own argument.

And the ruling means trans guys with full beards who previously would quietly use the Gents are now going to be in the Ladies.

The idea that cis men had to dress up to go into women's toilets was always nonsense. As I say in my post, cis male sex offenders go where they want and always have.

This was the problem many in the WI had. They were fine with trans women but objected to trans men joining.

Using slurs isn't an argument btw. It's just transphobia, and means I'm far less likely to take you seriously.

I would have thought that an intelligent liberal feminist would have had a decent stab at an explanation. Whatever could be the reason that Kate doesn't do this? One of life's mysteries.

It’s interesting that currently women don’t mind sharing a space with ‘transmen’ but this is supposedly the big threat.
That the scarey transmen will be back in the ladies and frightening everyone. Despite being generally quite petite and noticeably less oafish or gangly than the average man.

Why don’t transgender people poll women and ask what they would prefer? Trans men or trans women in their spaces? All this bluster with no research at all.

edit: got rid of the word you, I’m not sure who that was aimed at!

So you still want to take women's rights to single sex spaces away from them, but you won't explain how you think men can become women

What a betrayal of your own sex.

Yaaawwwwwwn. Your repeated demands and circular arguments are so dull.

im tired. Night night… have sweet terfy dreams

Should breast implants for males be made illegal?

No. The biggest demand for breast implants in men are for men who are having reconstructive surgery after a mastectomy from breast cancer. Men are more likely to need a mastectomy as breast cancer is caught later at a more advanced stage as there is no regular screening.

https://www.breastcancer.org/types/male-breast-cancer/treatment

So you want to take women's rights to single sex spaces away from them, but you won't explain on what grounds you think men can become women.

Wow, that sounds enlightened 🙄

all parents I know explain to young children that if you get lost, look for a lady to help you,

All the parents I know tell their children to find a staff member of a shop if they get lost. A random lady isn’t very safe. The memory of 12yo Lola is strong. Raped and murdered by a 24yr old woman just steps from her front door. Not a transwoman/male but a female all natural woman.

In your view is a transwoman a woman just because they say so or is it someone who takes cross sex hormones or maybe only someone who has had genital surgery

I don’t respond to gender critical demands. You have your beliefs. I have mine. Simple.

Well quite

We are waiting for your answer ...

You say there's nothing stopping any man from claiming to be a trans man and entering women's bathrooms.

What was stopping men before from claiming to be trans women? Really?

When we're not allowed to challenge someone regardless of how they present, even if they are male in male clothes with a male style and exhibiting male behavior, then how are we supposed to tell which men really identify as women?

What you're saying is not a new issue - men have always been able to claim to be something they're not to access women's spaces. The only difference now is that TIMs aren't welcome, and suddenly it's an issue.

TRAs have been saying for years that men aren't going to claim to be women just to enter a women's toilets, and now you think they're going to claim to be trans in the other direction to do it?