Should breast implants for males be made illegal?

This is a DISCUSSION

Your position is 'I think TWAW. Therefore they should have access to women's spaces'

You are asked 'how do you think this group of men are women?'

You - refuse to answer

How are we supposed to engage seriously with that?

Either they are women and you can tell us why or they aren't and your position is ridiculous.

Which is it?

What things?

Would you say that to a man who kept pestering a woman when she kept saying no? No means no remember. That applies to you too.

quite simple. The things they are saying bare transphobic.

Nice diversion away from what I was saying. I see your tactics.

Why is the question not "should cosmetic "gender affirming" surgery be banned?".

Why is it just about boobs?

If you never get an answer it's fair enough, no?

Youve told us you believe men to be women. It's important for everyone else to understand how you've come to that conclusion

Why are you presenting women standing up for their rights to single sex spaces as 'transphobic'?

Here we go again. The tactic of asking the same question over and over. It’s very old.

The way you speak is so gaslighty.

Ah wonderful. Another person claiming I, a survivor, lied about someone saying I want women to get raped. It really is disgusting and just highlights you care so little about vaw and will say anything to further your transphobic views.

Adult males are a danger to females, I agree.

Are you an ethnic minority?

Listened to transpeople. It’s how I turned from a trans ally to a full on TERF. So they’ve only got themselves to blame really. As you can’t seem to come up with a reasonable alternative definition, we must assume you also believe woman is adult human female, you’re just too upset to admit it, as it just confirms males cannot be women.

Reckon you're confusing me with Google there love :)

Answer your own questions, and listen to trans people. You might learn something.

I don’t use “TW” because they are not women in any way shape or form. TIM is factual. I could call them “men pretending to be women” if you prefer?

So if these men are white, but they say they're black?

If they're human. But they say they are cats?

If they're in their 50s, but they say they're 12v

They are who they said, right?

This is just an argument for breaking down gender norms and expectations, not for strict "trans rules" that force people into the very male/female binary that trans advocates are counter-intuitively, always trying to establish. If a child is born with a DSD, imagine how much more comfortable their lives could be without gender norms. That child could literally just be themselves without issue. A biological boy with a DSD, or who just had a strong inkling towards what is understood to be the feminine end of the gender spectrum could dress, speak, play, be in whatever way actually aligned to his inner self, without it being necessary to totally identify with and conform to equally demanding female gender norms. This is so important because society as a whole is never going to accept wrong-sex identification. And without those strict rules of masculinity in place, he could accept his body, and get on with being the best version of himself. No need to force people to lie about his sex. No need to force women to share their spaces. And, we GCs like to think, probably less violence and suicide because the incessant policing of gender norms would cease. But, and this is the key, women remain in need of our specific sex-based provisions because we have a biology that is designed for reproduction and this makes us vulnerable, less physically strong in most cases, and susceptible to violence and exploitation. These social conditions are unlikely to change any time soon.
It is the gender norms that are the problem. Take away all the rules about appearance, behaviour, preferences and "identity", but remain in acknowledgment about the reality of sex differences (and inate sexual attraction). I think (some of) those who identify as trans are maybe trying to fight gender norms, but are completely incorrect in their approach.

I know what I mean by a woman. But if you think a transwoman is a woman, you are clearly working to a different definition of woman altogether. So what definition are you using? What is the difference between your definition of a woman and your definition of a man?

If the male in question was actually female, he would grow breasts naturally during puberty. This example man of yours wants to be female, but is not, therefore needs a surgeon to help him decieve himself and others.

Do you not know?.Bless.

But a "cis" or "trans" what? Define "woman".

Cis or trans. Both are.

Trans women are who they say they are.

That's not an apt comparison. Nobody does what you said for cosmetic reasons, But breast implants are a common body modification. So is ear piercing. Some mods are acceptable and some aren't. If women can get breast implants, men should be able to, too. You'd have to ban them for everyone, not just one sex, otherwise that's discrimination.

And a woman is - what?