Should breast implants for males be made illegal?

Boobs are boobs, let's be truthful here. They ain't magic. Lots of people never breastfeed, and that doesn't alter the fact they have boobs.

Trans women are absolutely treated as women - blamed for their own oppression, attacked because of how they look, raped because they are considered lesser humans than cis men.

Obsessing about them fixes absolutely none of the extreme violence all women live with for every second off their lives.

Women are far stronger than men, because we have to be. And that includes trans women.

Magic boobs 😁 I've breastfed three kids and it's just ordinary once you get the knack. If you can do something while you're asleep*, it ain't special

• with supervision, obvs.

Ok. Fair.

No. I don't think it should be banned because the minor societal benefit doesn't outweigh the risk I see from setting a precedent for gender-based bans.

Yes, also we should do more to stop flytippers, and people who move into school catchment areas for one year only.
But that’s not the question being asked.

If a man wants to pay out of his own pocket and not get it done on the NHS then what he does to his own body is entirely up to him.

As long as he is has not been pressured into having the surgery and is competent enough to understand the surgery and the potential effects of having surgery, including dying on the operating table and post operative infections, MRSA etc then it's up to him.

Until all cosmetic surgery for both sexes is made illegal it would be wrong to make it illegal for just men to not be allowed breast implants.

But why focus on this when there are things that would make a bigger difference to women and children living alongside men, for example, men who get violent after drinking. This is far more common and impactful than a few men with implants.

As long as they stay out of women’s single sex spaces, and pay for it themselves, it’s really up to them, fetish or not.

I’m GC but voted no….they shouldn’t be available on the NHS but if a fully grown, mentally competent man wants to buy himself some boobs he should be able to (just don’t ask me to call him a woman!)

I don't think anyone has ever made the claim that women and children benefit from men having breast implants.

I would say that we all benefit from living in a free society where adults can make decisions about their own body that others find horrific.

This cis-male nonsense annoys me as there is no way of identifying that it is gender conforming men who are the abusers. No one can see the inner identity conflict in their abuser. Are they genderqueer? Are they stealth transgender? Are they non-binary but unable to disclose it to their friends and family? We can only ever see a body and describe that.
Assuming all men are cis male based on their appearance alone is the kind of gender stereotyped, blinkered thinking most modern people hate. And it has no bearing on crime stats or legislation.

So you're suggesting banning things which aren't useful to society in the interest of protecting people?

May I suggest we focus on alcohol then? We've already effectively banned smoking. Alcohol is a big cause of male violence. Much more so than trans people. If your concern is really protecting women by banning things.

Would you treat males and females differently in this regard? Banning breast implants for men but allowing women to have them removed?

Trans people are a tiny minority. Of that, male agps are a tiny minority of that tiny minority. Those with breast implants likely an even smaller part of that tiny minority of a tiny minority.

There really are bigger things to worry about. It does feel like some people are just obsessed with trans people.

is it beneficial to society as a whole, to have males with silicone breast implants? Or is it feeding males delusions & sexual fetishes?

It could be both or neither. It doesn't have to be a binary choice between one or the other.

If trans women don't conform to gender stereotypes, they are not treated as women. It is societal insistence on gender role play which encourages medical transition.

That's a very useful point which shows the futility of so called 'medical transition', you should share that insight with gender-questioning people:

Don't bother trying to conform to gender stereotypes of 'what a woman looks like', whatever that may be. Save yourself the time, money, pain and suffering.

You'll never be a woman no matter what you do, no matter what surgical interventions you get done, you'll always be male.

Even if you get a GRC, you'll still be male. You'll probably still look like a male, too, things like height and gait and hands and feet tend to be a giveaway, which would be disappointing if you've gone to all the pain and expense of medical transitioning.

In short, be gender critical - gender stereotypes are dead end for everybody.

Cis men are a danger to society. Pretending that legislating against a minority will fix that is distracting from that truth.

1 in 4 women & 1 in 6 men, minimum, have suffered sexual abuse. I don't know a single woman who hasn't been sexually assaulted in some way, often multiple times starting from childhood.

If trans women were the danger, then the same few (despicable) faces wouldn't need to be recycled.

Trans women simply exist, and are deeply vulnerable to sexual assault themselves.

You literally said that gender dysphoria isn't cured by surgery in the post I quoted. I was giving an example to counter your sweeping blanket statement.

Dehumanising entire minorities by labelling them sexually predatory is an age-old tactic used against gay people & people of colour. It's now being used against trans women.

Violent cis men were, are and always will be the biggest risk to women, and it's addressing that (immense) danger with education and through rape justice which women want.

So much easier to vilify a minority than confront the things cis men do and act against them. Years after the vast scale of drug-assisted rape first became clear, there is still no organised response against it, for example.