Should breast implants for males be made illegal?

Trans women are women, and no amount of ridiculing their appearance if they look too 'male' or complaining when they look more trad 'female' will alter that.

No one would be trans unless it meant everything to them, because the hypervigilance, stress, prejudice and ever-present threat of violence is awful.

Thing is, trans kids have very different opinions on transition - and read extensively on the subject. Most trans men, for example, want some form of top surgery but not all of them - they'd rather not have been pushed into surgery by being denied gender-affirming care at the right age.

Some trans guys want to keep their breasts, and non-binary masc people can have very different opinions about this.

And lots of trans men are very wary of having bottom surgery. They're aware of the risks, how much the surgery needs to be improved, etc. But they also know they may want kids in the future - lots of trans guys absolutely don't, but others are aware they might want them. They think very deeply on this subject.

My son puts it this way: he's a trans man, not a man. He's very wary of "blokes" (his term, to describe aggressive cis men) and knows how vulnerable he is.

It's not about believing you can be someone else. It's about getting your body in closer alignment with who you know yourself to be.

That... Is not how eggs, chromosomes or sex works

There's A lot of these polls lately, is someone out there using this form for surveys lol

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Trans women are women, and exist because they exist.

We're almost in agreement Transwomen exist because they exist - agreed.
But they exist as men, and no amount of hormones or surgery or cosmetics or clothing will make them women.

Which is why it is so unfair to hold out the possibility of an impossibility to young gender-questioning people. They deserve the truth: nobody can ever change sex, nobody is born in the wrong body, so save yourself the pain and expense of procedures that are guaranteed to fail, because you will always be the sex that you were born with.

The ultimate 'policing' of a body, and the total absence of body positivity, is to dramatically alter it on the flawed basis that it is not the right sex.

The effort going into saying that women who drastically reduce their testosterone levels are more likely to be violent than cis men is really quite something.

Yet that seems to be the case. Interesting, isn't it?

Yes, everyone starts life as an egg with a single X chromosome.

This is gibberish

You can say men who claim to be women are actually women until the end of days, it still won't make it true.

@TransParentlyAnnoyed It's a lie which suits the violent cis men who support the anti-trans movement, because they want to push the idea that there's a reason why women are raped.

Men, including trans-identified men, sexually offend at staggeringly higher rates than women.

If anything, TIM seem to offend at a higher rate than non-TIM. Let's put that to one side though, and face the fact that the onus is on the trans community to prove that TIMs sexually offend at a rate equal to or even less than that of women. Let's see that evidence.

Trans women are women, and exist because they exist.

The fact you don't like they exist is very much a 'you' problem.

Transphobia's weird. The effort going into saying that women who drastically reduce their testosterone levels are more likely to be violent than cis men is really quite something.

We fought for the right to dress as we want, and for societal acceptance of the truth that what women wear does not make them more likely to be raped.

That's all women, cis and trans.

Yep. Women, those who you call cis, and the women who claim to be men, whatever they wear does not make them more likely to be raped.

The men doing the raping probably don't care about the clothes their rape victim is wearing either. And those men doing the raping could be a man who you would call a cis man or a man who claims to be a woman. They probably don't care much if their victim is a woman who you would describe as cis or a woman who thinks she's a man.

Men (with a fetish) are not a 'minority' though. Women are the disadvantaged group here, and femaleness/ womanhood should not be treated as a costume for men to perform for their own gratification.

Yes, everyone starts life as an egg with a single X chromosome.

Men and women have fundamentally similar biology, which is why it's possible to have gender-reassignment surgery. It's also why boys are able, during hormone transfer, to produce milk.

Those men were not asked for their gender identity. Unsurprisingly their inner gender feelings were not important. They were just classed as men.
Perhaps if anyone had cared to have a long discussion with them about gender ideology they would have revealed that sometimes they too feel a feminine energy and a few stereotypically feminine traits. Perhaps they are very careful when reverse parking, or they cry at dog food adverts. They remain men.
As evidenced by seeing women as a physical prop to be used to please themselves. Much like transwomen are happy to discomfort and upset women to please themselves.

That's absolutely not true.

It's a lie which suits the violent cis men who support the anti-trans movement, because they want to push the idea that there's a reason why women are raped.

There is no reason. It's individual rapists who hate women expressing that hate. The only way to prevent rape is to accept the truth of that, and stop blaming women.

Every human starts life as female

No, this has to be debunked with boring regularity.

We fought for the right to dress as we want, and for societal acceptance of the truth that what women wear does not make them more likely to be raped.

That's all women, cis and trans.

And again: trans women develop breasts as a result of taking hormones. Implants are just a choice some women make - one I wouldn't choose for myself, but it's up to other people what they do with their own boobs.

Parents who've breastfed boys know they often develop swollen breasts and produce milk, because of hormone transfer. Every human starts life as female, so has milk ducts and is theoretically capable of producing milk. Cis women who are unable to carry their own child can still stimulate their breasts so that they can feed their baby after surrogacy.

Trans & cis women are of course represented within the sex offender population, but there's far fewer of them compared to the percentage of cis men who commit offences. And some of those trans women only declared themselves trans after being charged.

Nope, trans-identified males commit sexual offences at a higher rate than non-trans males and way, way way higher rate than females.

Nope, it's lifelong experience and court reporting.

All those who raped Gisèle Pélicot were cis men, for example.

Trans & cis women are of course represented within the sex offender population, but there's far fewer of them compared to the percentage of cis men who commit offences. And some of those trans women only declared themselves trans after being charged.

Again, you are saying it’s only cis men
who attack others. Without any explanation of how you know their gender. Presumably because they are wearing a t shirt and trousers. Or have short hair. This is just prejudiced gender stereotyping on appearances.

Trans women are women no matter what they wear.

Nope! A man who claims to be a woman is a man no matter what he wears.

Trans people are human beings allowed to express themselves and alter their appearance as they see fit.

Same as cis women. We fought for that right, and should be wary of any attempting control someone's body.

Being trans is completely different to gender stereotyping. Trans women are women no matter what they wear. If they were respected as such, there would be far less pressure on them to confirm to stereotypes - that is my point. They should still be free to dress how they want without judgement or fear.

Besides, most trans women already do go out without make-up, and some have beards. Some look a lot like men -and they're the ones most likely to be violently attacked.

Trans women, like all women, dress with one eye on avoiding violence. All women know that violent cis men will use how we're dressed - up or down - to excuse their desire to hurt us.

Policing appearance (and bodies) is a dangerous road, just another illustration of how transphobia endangers all women.

No. Presumably the reason for wanting the surgery would be part of a process in which the male realised they were female and would probably need breasts to complete the process and support their mental health.
I am not sure how this might impact on you or anyone else.