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Should breast implants for males be made illegal?

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happydappy2 · 31/05/2026 10:19

Having learned more about the sexual desires of males, AGP in particular. I now think that as women we have to push back and stop this madness. We live in a world where females are vulnerable to sexual assault by males-we are literally hunted by them. Combined with the safeguarding of children aspect....all parents I know explain to young children that if you get lost, look for a lady to help you, preferably another Mummy....I know men can wear a padded bra to achieve the look, but still the thought of males getting sexual pleasure by having fake boobs & their male tackle-just seems wrong. Am I alone in thinking this? Looking at society as a whole, I can't see any benefit to women and children of men being allowed to get silicone breast implants.....

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PrettyDamnCosmic · 01/06/2026 13:57

SinuousTendrils · 01/06/2026 13:53

I didn't see your question and i didn't say or imply that.
I am aware of the law.
I don't necessarily agree with it.

I am aware of the law.
I don't necessarily agree with it.

You don't get to pick & choose the law because you agree with it or not.

Taztoy · 01/06/2026 13:54

Taztoy · 01/06/2026 13:37

@SinuousTendrils I’m a rape survivor. I don’t want any men in my single sex spaces. The law says they aren’t allowed to be there. They cause me trauma not just because of their mere presence but because of the casual disregard for my consent (or more correctly my non-consent) and it triggers my trauma around my rape.

why am I worth so much less than men who are undertaking a voluntary action?

@SinuousTendrils tagging you again so you can see my question. As you said you hadn’t seen it.

SinuousTendrils · 01/06/2026 13:53

Taztoy · 01/06/2026 13:49

Trans women are men.

legally, in the uk, they are men. And most retain their sexual organs.

you didn’t answer my question, with respect. Why am I worth so much less then a man who is undergoing a voluntary activity?

I didn't see your question and i didn't say or imply that.
I am aware of the law.
I don't necessarily agree with it.

Taztoy · 01/06/2026 13:49

SinuousTendrils · 01/06/2026 13:47

I'm sorry for your experience.
I don't think most trans women are trans women because they want to rape other women despite what we're told by the media.
Certainly not those I know.
But i'm sure there will be plenty of people to tell me otherwise.
I will find some time to read up on these things but i really don't think trans women are the people we should be fearing.

Trans women are men.

legally, in the uk, they are men. And most retain their sexual organs.

you didn’t answer my question, with respect. Why am I worth so much less then a man who is undergoing a voluntary activity?

AStonedRose · 01/06/2026 13:48

TheKeatingFive · 01/06/2026 11:21

Telling vulnerable children that either a) they could essentially change sex or b) people would go along with the idea that they had changed sex - was immensely wrong.

I'm sorry your child got caught up in it. I hope they get the mental health support they need.

The trans activists have done this generation a huge disservice.

It’s your fault! You made us do it!

what a load of DARVO nonsense.

SinuousTendrils · 01/06/2026 13:47

Taztoy · 01/06/2026 13:37

@SinuousTendrils I’m a rape survivor. I don’t want any men in my single sex spaces. The law says they aren’t allowed to be there. They cause me trauma not just because of their mere presence but because of the casual disregard for my consent (or more correctly my non-consent) and it triggers my trauma around my rape.

why am I worth so much less than men who are undertaking a voluntary action?

I'm sorry for your experience.
I don't think most trans women are trans women because they want to rape other women despite what we're told by the media.
Certainly not those I know.
But i'm sure there will be plenty of people to tell me otherwise.
I will find some time to read up on these things but i really don't think trans women are the people we should be fearing.

TheKeatingFive · 01/06/2026 13:46

Yes humans are humans. They come in two sexes. This is of zero relevance in some situations, but significantly so in others (reproduction, relationships. competitive sport. access to single sex spaces)

TheKeatingFive · 01/06/2026 13:44

SinuousTendrils · 01/06/2026 13:41

I know you can't trust everything you read on the internet (oh the irony) but a quick look returns '1 in 4500 to 1 in 5000 babies are born with genitalia that cannot b ckearly classified as male or female'
Is this notion that parents want trans children a thing? Blimey.
I accept that i probably don't understand the implications of this, but i think it is reasonable to think there is ambiguity and we as individuals cannot account for the experience of others.
Anyway, I'm off because i am busy and am not immersed enough in this debate to comment further.
I think humans are humans. Many of them are good, others less so.

If there's any ambiguity, genetic testing will clarify what sex a child is.

But as we keep saying, this has nothing to do with being 'trans'. There seems to be no over representation of people with DSDs in people who believe themselves to be trans.

Taztoy · 01/06/2026 13:41

SinuousTendrils · 01/06/2026 13:41

I know you can't trust everything you read on the internet (oh the irony) but a quick look returns '1 in 4500 to 1 in 5000 babies are born with genitalia that cannot b ckearly classified as male or female'
Is this notion that parents want trans children a thing? Blimey.
I accept that i probably don't understand the implications of this, but i think it is reasonable to think there is ambiguity and we as individuals cannot account for the experience of others.
Anyway, I'm off because i am busy and am not immersed enough in this debate to comment further.
I think humans are humans. Many of them are good, others less so.

Why am I worth so much less than a man then?

SinuousTendrils · 01/06/2026 13:41

I know you can't trust everything you read on the internet (oh the irony) but a quick look returns '1 in 4500 to 1 in 5000 babies are born with genitalia that cannot b ckearly classified as male or female'
Is this notion that parents want trans children a thing? Blimey.
I accept that i probably don't understand the implications of this, but i think it is reasonable to think there is ambiguity and we as individuals cannot account for the experience of others.
Anyway, I'm off because i am busy and am not immersed enough in this debate to comment further.
I think humans are humans. Many of them are good, others less so.

Taztoy · 01/06/2026 13:37

@SinuousTendrils I’m a rape survivor. I don’t want any men in my single sex spaces. The law says they aren’t allowed to be there. They cause me trauma not just because of their mere presence but because of the casual disregard for my consent (or more correctly my non-consent) and it triggers my trauma around my rape.

why am I worth so much less than men who are undertaking a voluntary action?

AWeeCupOfTeaAndAnIndividualFruitTrifle · 01/06/2026 13:34

SinuousTendrils · 01/06/2026 13:02

Just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean it's any less true 😊

This is getting silly now. So somebody can claim that ice is hot, the sun is cold, Helsinki lies on the Tropic of Capricorn, gravity doesn't exist, cows grow in trees, Greg Davies is shorter than Warwick Davies... and as long as you believe any of those, that makes them objectively true, in spite of all of the evidence to the contrary?!

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 01/06/2026 13:31

SinuousTendrils · 01/06/2026 13:19

I don't know. I will look it up.
Shall i send photos?

I think you will find that the confusion is over a small penis that might look like an enlarged clitoris or vice versa. Also confusion over scrotal sacs that look like labia and vice versa.
Let's not have a derail into DSDs. We have covered this topic often enough, and it's not kind to appropriate their experience to try to justify someone's ideology.

SinuousTendrils · 01/06/2026 13:31

Taztoy · 01/06/2026 13:30

What do you mean you must’ve skewed the averages?

Having known about a couple of cases.

Taztoy · 01/06/2026 13:30

SinuousTendrils · 01/06/2026 13:21

Ok, thanks for clarifying. I must have skewed the averages in that case.

What do you mean you must’ve skewed the averages?

AWeeCupOfTeaAndAnIndividualFruitTrifle · 01/06/2026 13:28

SinuousTendrils · 01/06/2026 12:57

I am not sure you would be able to understand if that wasn't your experience.
People experience the world in different ways to the way you do.

But you're making it sound like you believe it's normal or rational to believe you are the sex that you clearly are not and never can be.

There's nothing wrong (albeit sad) with somebody saying "I wish I'd been a boy/girl"; but how can it be at all normal or healthy for people to want to mutilate their healthy bodies?

You can dress, act (within the law) and present however you like. If you choose to follow every single stereotype that's commonly applied to the opposite sex, that's entirely up to you; but you cannot ever become the opposite sex.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 01/06/2026 13:23

SinuousTendrils · 01/06/2026 13:13

I'm not lying, maybe your area of expertise didn't include this specialism.
I have knowledge of at least two cases of this happening and parents having to decide which sex to align with (obviously with medical support) and there was a display in the hospital library where i work about this type of surgery.
I am not a militant trans activist but i find these conversations perplexing.
I am simply saying that it must be confusing for a child who is born with both sets of genitalia and no wonder if their brains aren't necessarily aligned to the sex their parents decide they are.
I think it's pretty disappointing for a doctor to take such a cut and dried view really.

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I have knowledge of at least two cases ofvthis happening in the 1980s andvthere wasca display in the hospital library about this type of surgery.

That's a pivot from your previous claim that "It does happen and it isn't rare.

You are talking utter rubbish. No child is born with both sets of genitalia. Give over with your anti-science lies attempting to prove that there is such a thing as a "trans" child. There is not, only parents who want a "trans" child.

spannasaurus · 01/06/2026 13:22

SinuousTendrils · 01/06/2026 13:19

I don't know. I will look it up.
Shall i send photos?

If you could look up and tell me the specific DSD that causes a child to have both sets of genitalia that would be super, thank you

SinuousTendrils · 01/06/2026 13:21

TheKeatingFive · 01/06/2026 13:18

The extremely rare DSD you are describing here does not result in both sets of fully formed genitalia.

You are getting mixed up with 'tissue' being produced. Nowhere close to actual genitalia.

In any event, it's extremely rare and has nothing to do with being trans

Ok, thanks for clarifying. I must have skewed the averages in that case.

SinuousTendrils · 01/06/2026 13:19

spannasaurus · 01/06/2026 13:15

What has the existence of people with DSDs got to do with trans?

And no child is born with both sets of genitalia

I don't know. I will look it up.
Shall i send photos?

TheKeatingFive · 01/06/2026 13:18

SinuousTendrils · 01/06/2026 13:13

I'm not lying, maybe your area of expertise didn't include this specialism.
I have knowledge of at least two cases of this happening and parents having to decide which sex to align with (obviously with medical support) and there was a display in the hospital library where i work about this type of surgery.
I am not a militant trans activist but i find these conversations perplexing.
I am simply saying that it must be confusing for a child who is born with both sets of genitalia and no wonder if their brains aren't necessarily aligned to the sex their parents decide they are.
I think it's pretty disappointing for a doctor to take such a cut and dried view really.

Edited

The extremely rare DSD you are describing here does not result in both sets of fully formed genitalia.

You are getting mixed up with 'tissue' being produced. Nowhere close to actual genitalia.

In any event, it's extremely rare and has nothing to do with being trans

SinuousTendrils · 01/06/2026 13:18

Kate8175 · 01/06/2026 13:09

Their body their choice - isn’t that one of the basic tenets of feminism? We shouldn’t be telling people - women, men, cis or trans what to do with their bodies

Exactly. And abhorrent to suggest these people should be denied NHS treatment.
Trans people pay taxes too!

spannasaurus · 01/06/2026 13:15

SinuousTendrils · 01/06/2026 13:13

I'm not lying, maybe your area of expertise didn't include this specialism.
I have knowledge of at least two cases of this happening and parents having to decide which sex to align with (obviously with medical support) and there was a display in the hospital library where i work about this type of surgery.
I am not a militant trans activist but i find these conversations perplexing.
I am simply saying that it must be confusing for a child who is born with both sets of genitalia and no wonder if their brains aren't necessarily aligned to the sex their parents decide they are.
I think it's pretty disappointing for a doctor to take such a cut and dried view really.

Edited

What has the existence of people with DSDs got to do with trans?

And no child is born with both sets of genitalia

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 01/06/2026 13:14

Kate8175 · 01/06/2026 13:09

Their body their choice - isn’t that one of the basic tenets of feminism? We shouldn’t be telling people - women, men, cis or trans what to do with their bodies

So you would be happy for someone to have their legs removed, without having to give any reason for this demand, and then claim disability benefits, a Blue Badge and the cost of adaptations to their car and home? Are you content for your taxes to be spent that way?

SinuousTendrils · 01/06/2026 13:13

PrettyDamnCosmic · 01/06/2026 12:57

It does happen and it isn't rare.

I am a retired doctor. This is utter bollocks. Why lie about this when you will be caught out so easily?

I'm not lying, maybe your area of expertise didn't include this specialism.
I have knowledge of at least two cases of this happening and parents having to decide which sex to align with (obviously with medical support) and there was a display in the hospital library where i work about this type of surgery.
I am not a militant trans activist but i find these conversations perplexing.
I am simply saying that it must be confusing for a child who is born with both sets of genitalia and no wonder if their brains aren't necessarily aligned to the sex their parents decide they are.
I think it's pretty disappointing for a doctor to take such a cut and dried view really.