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Why do GC arguments focus on single-sex spaces rather than sex discrimination?

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ariel333 · 27/05/2026 19:14

From my understanding of the Supreme Court ruling, sex has to mean biological sex in the act because that’s the main reason why women are discriminated against, so that is the characteristic that has to be protected. If trans women are included as women then biological sex is no longer the protected characteristic but gender identity - and employers could go back to asking women if they intend to get pregnant in job interviews - as they used to before the Sex Discrimination Act.
This seems to me to be a pretty good argument for the necessity of sex meaning biological sex but it doesn’t seem to be used. The focus is much more on single sex spaces. Is there a reason for this?

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Ponderingwindow · 27/05/2026 20:03

People are shortsighted and don’t want to focus on the main issues.

Body safety and privacy for everyone are actually pretty easy fixes with enough money and time. Identifying women as a distinct group to protect them from discrimination is a much bigger issue. So is identifying transgender people to protect them.

how can we track workplace discrimination against the part of the population that gestates our young if we can’t easily define that population?

how can we track discrimination against people who don’t conform to societal norms in gender presentation if we can’t identify them?

ApplebyArrows · 27/05/2026 19:48

I guess in practice nobody is discriminating against women in this sort of twisted way, whereas lots of places are letting transwomen into toilets and changing rooms. The focus is on the actual problem.

IwantToRetire · 27/05/2026 19:43

It focuses on this because this is, as it were, the front line of how saying you can identify as a sex puts women in danger.

Of course it is sex discrimination.

The Supreme Court gave one of the reasons for supporting FWS was that the trans should be allowed to invade sex based rights as DISCRIMNATION against the protected characteristic of sex.

No way is it the only issue, but the one that highlights the discriminatory result of the trans narrative.

That was why it became necessary to go to the Supreme Court because the trans narrative is that sex is not just biological.

Now that the highest court has said it is, then in each instance that women's sex based rights are being impinged on, the Supreme Court ruling can be quoted.

Sadly thousands of years of lived experience of their being 2 sexes, let alone what biology etc., has taught us didn't stop and number of people falling for the trans narrative.

One reason being that as discrimination against women is based on their sex, if you can argue that sex isn't real, then you cant have sex discrimination.

The TRA arguement would never have advanced as fast as it did if it wasn't built on the anti woman agenda of MRAs.

After how more convenient for them to have sex said to not be a real thing, when men as a sex class are accused of discrimination against women because of their sex class.

Sadly this trans activism is just at this point on history they way in which the male sex class is discriminating against women.

PeachyDaisy · 27/05/2026 19:33

even the most TWAW person on an interview panel knows that a trans-identified man isn't actually a woman.

I think it is foolish to say that no TW could ever pass. Granted I think 99% of them don't but i do think there may be a small number that do (for example the show there's something about miriam, the guys were kissing miriam thinking it was a woman)

ParmaVioletTea · 27/05/2026 19:31

Another brain-bending example is that if "sex" includes "gender identity" for the purposes of the 2010 EA, a trans-identified woman (transman) would not be eligible for maternity leave, or any kind of time off for medical care that is specifically because of her biological sex.

Pretty shocking and completely demonstrates how stupid the "TERF" slur is: feminists do not exclude transmen - in fact the FWS case showed just how much trans-identified women /transmen need the protection of the biological sex characteristic!

Imdunfer · 27/05/2026 19:30

ParmaVioletTea · 27/05/2026 19:27

This seems to me to be a pretty good argument for the necessity of sex meaning biological sex but it doesn’t seem to be used. The focus is much more on single sex spaces. Is there a reason for this?

Interesting question.

First of all, the FWS argument to the Supreme Court was much more than just about single-sex spaces.

But I suspect that a trans-identified man (transwoman) is NEVER going to be asked about pregnancy because even the most TWAW person on an interview panel knows that a trans-identified man isn't actually a woman.

But they have the same right to take time off after adoption as birth patent, so the question would still be relevant.

Shortshriftandlethal · 27/05/2026 19:28

The Supreme Court ruling gave numerous exemplar cases in which the protected category of 'biological sex' was the meaningul factor - it wasn't just about toilet and changing facilities.......but it was toilet and changing faciities that became the main focus for trans activism - because these were supposed to constitute an area in which a transwoman ( a man) could show he was " living as the opposite sex".

ParmaVioletTea · 27/05/2026 19:27

This seems to me to be a pretty good argument for the necessity of sex meaning biological sex but it doesn’t seem to be used. The focus is much more on single sex spaces. Is there a reason for this?

Interesting question.

First of all, the FWS argument to the Supreme Court was much more than just about single-sex spaces.

But I suspect that a trans-identified man (transwoman) is NEVER going to be asked about pregnancy because even the most TWAW person on an interview panel knows that a trans-identified man isn't actually a woman.

Keeptoiletssafe · 27/05/2026 19:23

Because single sex spaces are safer to the point the design saves lives of men, women and children.

Imdunfer · 27/05/2026 19:19

I'm not sure you've picked a great example. Trans people are also entitled to parental leave for surrogate and adopted children.

I think you have a point, but toilets and changing rooms are such an easy concept to grasp that i think they will always be the go-to.

I'm trying to think of other examples that would pack a punch as big but I'm coming up short, sorry.