M&S Colchester claim mixed changing is ‘completely safe’ for women.

If mixed sex changing is perfectly safe, why can't the transwomen share with the men and we can have a women's only changing room because of privacy and dignity?

Ok thanks for confirming - no actual bullying then. Just a hyperbolic potential possibility of bullying which should definitely be illegal.

If you agree with this member of staff then presumably others will too. Why do you automatically consider this to be shaming? The video is just information - there is no judgment by the person filming - it is those watching who make their own judgments on what they see. They both expressed their own beliefs. Noone died or was injured. The man complied with his workplace policyand will come to absolutely no harm because no GC people will be hunting him down to do anything - which could not be said if it was a GC person who had their name and workplace revealed. You are completely overreacting or have been living under a rock.

I am glad we don't live anywhere so authoritarian that anything in the video is illegal - whether that is the customer or the shop worker. I would say you should be careful what you wish for - we are fortunate to live in a liberal pluralistic democracy. And if you are a trans activist (someone who supports unqualified rights of trans people over those of women) you should appreciate what trans people do have instead of bemoaning what they don't. It is the Equality Act we are talking about in many of these posts = equal treatment for all. If you don't like that or understand it, then you really do need to educate yourself. The law in the UK is very progressive compared to many other countries and is one of the closest internationally to reaching a balanced situation. If the TRAs keep pushing their bullshit ideas, you may end up worsening your situation by antagonising everyone. Pissing off everyone's mothers is about the most stupid idea all of you ever had

You were the one that responded to my post posing a question without answering it. I know you want to shift the narrative. I’m happy to indulge you, I really am, and I know you’re not used to people pressing their point.

Once you’ve answered my simple question I’m more than happy to chat about anything you like.

I guess I’m wondering why are you unable to admit you're not scared of people filming you without consent and posing it online?

Unless you are scared. In which case why?

I completely disagree. Just because you’re management doesn’t make you fair game for any old shit

HE WAS THE MANAGER OF THE STORE!
Ok so that makes it ALL ok…

Yes it does. This isn't a random shop worker he is the manager. He is the public face of M&S at that store.

I was talking in general terms. But there is no doubt by sharing this on social media this has resulted in publicly shaming the member of staff and may have for all we know resulted in him being bullied as his details have been revealed publicly. All of that should be illegal.

If groups like sex matters are so convinced that the law has been broken by M&S let them put their money where their mouth is and take them to court.

To all those ‘uncomfortable’ with a shop worker being videoed -
HE WAS THE MANAGER OF THE STORE!

Can you please describe what you think is bullying behaviour in this clip?

Sex Matters comments about unlawfulness were to do with the CR provision - indirect discrimination possibly.

In this clip the store manager appears to directly discriminate against the female customer on the basis of belief asking her to leave the store.

Just the power to dole out any old shit, eh?

Can you answer the question as it was originally posed please?

You have prevaricated a bit about safety and filming etc, but your comment implied you fear further action beyond filming - what is it that you fear?

I completely disagree. Just because you’re management doesn’t make you fair game for any old shit

HE WAS THE MANAGER OF THE STORE!
Ok so that makes it ALL ok…

Yes it does. This isn't a random shop worker he is the manager. He is the public face of M&S at that store.

Ok so that makes it ALL ok…

To all those ‘uncomfortable’ with a shop worker being videoed -
HE WAS THE MANAGER OF THE STORE!

Can you please describe what you think is bullying behaviour in this clip?

Sex Matters comments about unlawfulness were to do with the CR provision - indirect discrimination possibly.

In this clip the store manager appears to directly discriminate against the female customer on the basis of belief asking her to leave the store.

I agree the staff member should have asked her to stop filming

I didn’t say that she should have stopped filming so you have nothing to agree with.

I agree that filming is a guerllia tactic

Again, I didn’t say that it was so nothing to agree with.

and not “nice” but she’s not obliged to be nice.

I haven’t said anything about “nice” so I’m not sure who you are quoting here.

My simple question was “would you feel safe… “ you can read the rest for yourself in the post.

I’ll read/ respond to the rest of your message once you stay on track.

Bullying and publicly shaming retail staff like this should be illegal.

Interesting how you say what M&S are doing is illegal. Sex matters say that they COULD be breaking the law. Let Sex Matters take them to court if they’re so convinced it’s wrong! Leave retail staff alone!

I don’t care whether the filmer is female or male. I would still have called out this shitty tactic. I’ve not mentioned the sex of the person filming in any of my posts that’s you making assumptions about me. Shame on you.

The underlying point is that by filming and uploading that clip on to social media she has abused and publicly humiliated a retail employee. Are you happy for that to happen to one of your relatives?

I agree the staff member should have asked her to stop filming. I agree that filming is a guerllia tactic and not “nice” but she’s not obliged to be nice. I wouldn’t like it but she’s committing no offence - unlike M&S/this employee

She also wasn’t asking him to go against policy - he could say it’s M&S policy and I hear what you’re saying etc but all our CRs are trans inclusive or mixed sex or whatever they call them. Youll need to write in to HQ and tell her how.

He doesn’t have to express any personal belief or judgment- but unfortunately he did express his belief and asked her to leave the shop.

(ETA - he could even say look I agree with the shop policy and we will have to agree to disagree etc.)

But thats a digression- I was asking about your statement - you said “I fear how far it’s going to go”?

You implied there some fear of action beyond filming? Or future unlawful/illegal action by the customer? What were you referring to?

None of this is illegal.

The M&S shop staffer was unlawfully discriminating on the basis of sex - indirect discrimination due to lack of provision of a single sex changing room for swimwear

The customer was filming on private property and could have been asked to stop. She might have if asked but we will never know because the staff member instead decided to ask her to leave the shop due to her unpalatable (but lawful/protected) beliefs. Thats now unlawful direct discrimination on the basis of belief.

You have a problem with the customer’s manners and seem to think that’s the bigger problem with this story; that she shouldn’t be allowed to protest like this. your opinion is fine and some will agree with you but I don’t like it when women are shut down for being shrill. It’s sexist even if you are perhaps struggling to recognise that in yourself.

However the law already prevents filming for privacy reasons on private property. So Youve nothing to fear if it happens to you or someone you know. Simply ask them politely to stop! And if they don’t abide with the rules about filming then call security. But in the public realm you have no rights to prevent filming unless it’s to be monetised

Back to the matter in hand - I think that M&S shouldn’t have this changing room policy which has been hidden from customers. Because they chose stealth rather than polling customers theyve left their staff members vulnerable to this sort of stunt. Regular complaints dont work amd haven’t for years. It’s maybe not what I would do but it’s been very effective and I won’t criticise a woman for standing up for her rights in a legal way - assertive but not aggressive - against blatant sex discrimination.

To put it another way - What other way could this customer get evidence of M&S policy and how it manifests other than getting video?