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Sunderland Minster refusing to comply with Supreme Court ruling

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labtest57 · 26/05/2026 22:21

This is from their Facebook page today. No consideration for the women who do not want men in their spaces.

Sunderland Minster refusing to comply with Supreme Court ruling
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Distractable · 27/05/2026 11:25

Niminy · 27/05/2026 11:22

I've just had a look at their safeguarding info. You're supposed to have details of parish safeguarding officer on the web site, and it looks as if they don't have one. It's good practice to have links to Local Authority safeguarding contacts too. I'd say it looks as if safeguarding isn't a priority for this church.

I know of several clergy who have been subject to discipline under the Clergy Discipline Measure because the safeguarding information on their website has not been up to date.

Aisha176 · 27/05/2026 11:24

Ahhh the athiest's 'respite'.

The point being the house of God won't protect you from the sins of man but will teach you how to overcome them.

Niminy · 27/05/2026 11:22

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 27/05/2026 11:00

The only link I can find that works leads to the diocesan safeguarding pages:

not sure Mumsnet will like the link, so it's

durhamdiocese dot org forward slash safeguarding

I've just had a look at their safeguarding info. You're supposed to have details of parish safeguarding officer on the web site, and it looks as if they don't have one. It's good practice to have links to Local Authority safeguarding contacts too. I'd say it looks as if safeguarding isn't a priority for this church.

Mmmnotsure · 27/05/2026 11:21

Aisha176 · 27/05/2026 11:14

It's a statement about equality & if you knew anything about Christianity you would know that.

And if you knew anything about what a place of worship of God is you would know its a house of trust not suspicion.

And yet Jesus warned about the people in the church itself:

  • *Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Chersfrozenface · 27/05/2026 11:17

Aisha176 · 27/05/2026 11:14

It's a statement about equality & if you knew anything about Christianity you would know that.

And if you knew anything about what a place of worship of God is you would know its a house of trust not suspicion.

And if you knew anything about what a place of worship of God is you would know its a house of trust not suspicion.

And that has worked so well in the past, hasn't it?
https://www.churchofengland.org/safeguarding/reviews-and-reports/independent-inquiry-child-sexual-abuse

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 27/05/2026 11:17

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Mmmnotsure · 27/05/2026 11:16

BackToLurk · 27/05/2026 11:11

She may identify with Jesus/some of the apostles/Nelson Mandela/insert heroic figure.

She'd be bound to defer to male figures.

Well, yes, because any female heroic figures – like Joan of Arc, although I think she only broke canon law - are trans din ye kno?

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 27/05/2026 11:15

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Aisha176 · 27/05/2026 11:14

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 27/05/2026 10:00

Paul is admonishing the Galatians that no one is exempt from the teachings of Christ, if they claim to be the children of God.

Not that there is no such thing as male or female (which is ridiculous).

It's a metaphor, and Paul uses this tool a lot, which you would know if you knew anything about the Bible. So not the gotcha you think it is.

But, I'm not going to derail any further. Just thought I should point out that the Rev Canon is being a hypocrite here, in many ways, especially to women.

It's a statement about equality & if you knew anything about Christianity you would know that.

And if you knew anything about what a place of worship of God is you would know its a house of trust not suspicion.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 27/05/2026 11:12

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BackToLurk · 27/05/2026 11:11

Mmmnotsure · 27/05/2026 11:07

Breaking the law if you think it is wrong law is seen as good and noble by some.

She may identify with Jesus/some of the apostles/Nelson Mandela/insert heroic figure.

She may identify with Jesus/some of the apostles/Nelson Mandela/insert heroic figure.

She'd be bound to defer to male figures.

Mmmnotsure · 27/05/2026 11:07

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 27/05/2026 10:35

The Sunderland Minster Rev will believe that she is a martyr for Jesus. The more negative comments she receives the more she will believe that what she is doing is the Lord's work.
'Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.' Matt 5:11

This can only be stopped by her superiors.

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Breaking the law if you think it is wrong law is seen as good and noble by some.

She may identify with Jesus/some of the apostles/Nelson Mandela/insert heroic figure.

CarpeVitam · 27/05/2026 11:07

murasaki · 26/05/2026 22:32

Why can't their 'oh so helpful' volunteers accompany the TiMs to the men's loos to keep them safe?

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This! The solution is so dammed obvious. JERKS!!

PrettyDamnCosmic · 27/05/2026 11:04

CompleteGinasaur · 27/05/2026 10:52

If I lived anywhere near Sunderland, I'd find out how many volunteers attend every day on average, then round up that many women, plus about 5, to be on the safe side. Then visit, and one at a time, at five minute intervals, ask for a volunteer to accompany us to the toilets. Perfectly reasonable policy, after all, nothing can go wrong with it...

Under this regime men are entitled too privacy & dignity too so also warrant a chaperone to the Gents in case there is a lurking trans identifying female.

SidewaysOtter · 27/05/2026 11:03

Wouldn't it be awful if almost every service* was endlessly interrupted by a succession of women putting up their hand and asking to be escorted to the loo? Grin

(*not funerals etc, obvs)

CompleteGinasaur · 27/05/2026 11:03

MarieDeGournay · 27/05/2026 10:57

Well you could incorporate 'Is the volunteer who is accompanying me appropriately vetted in accordance with the Diocese/CofE safeguarding procedures?' into your action.

"Oh, you can't find them? Sorry, I'll wait. Although I can't for very long, you know, getting on a bit now, kidney problems and all that. Are these flagstones historically significant? Or waterproof...?

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 27/05/2026 11:02

MarieDeGournay · 27/05/2026 10:57

Well you could incorporate 'Is the volunteer who is accompanying me appropriately vetted in accordance with the Diocese/CofE safeguarding procedures?' into your action.

Good thinking, Batman!

SwirlyGates · 27/05/2026 11:02

GingerBeverage · 27/05/2026 10:57

Imagine going to church, thinking you're doing the flower arranging or whatnot and getting roped into standing outside loo stalls all day.

There are a lot of people who can't pee (or worse, poo) in public if someone is in the next cubicle, or if they think someone can hear them. Just imagine what it's like for them to have a stranger waiting outside, knowing what they're doing, and waiting for them to finish their business!

Pringlebeak · 27/05/2026 11:00

There are quite a lot of safeguarding hoops you have to jump through to volunteer in a church these days. I'm not sure what section of the training "accompanying people to the toilet to make a political point" falls under.

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 27/05/2026 11:00

Niminy · 27/05/2026 10:38

Not having a link to your safeguarding policy on the website is a serious matter. Clergy have been subject to disciplinary measures for this.

The only link I can find that works leads to the diocesan safeguarding pages:

not sure Mumsnet will like the link, so it's

durhamdiocese dot org forward slash safeguarding

MarieDeGournay · 27/05/2026 10:57

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 27/05/2026 10:54

I wouldn't recommend anyone do that without seeing their Safeguarding Policies first!

Well you could incorporate 'Is the volunteer who is accompanying me appropriately vetted in accordance with the Diocese/CofE safeguarding procedures?' into your action.

GingerBeverage · 27/05/2026 10:57

Imagine going to church, thinking you're doing the flower arranging or whatnot and getting roped into standing outside loo stalls all day.

Justme56 · 27/05/2026 10:57

CompleteGinasaur · 27/05/2026 10:52

If I lived anywhere near Sunderland, I'd find out how many volunteers attend every day on average, then round up that many women, plus about 5, to be on the safe side. Then visit, and one at a time, at five minute intervals, ask for a volunteer to accompany us to the toilets. Perfectly reasonable policy, after all, nothing can go wrong with it...

Someone on X had a similar idea;

At 72, the old lady stereotype is becoming increasingly tempting. My new fantasy: Go to church. Wait for the sermon to begin. Clatter noisily out of my pew to go to the loo. Come back again and call out to the vicar, "Excuse me dear, but could someone take me to the toilet?"

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 27/05/2026 10:54

CompleteGinasaur · 27/05/2026 10:52

If I lived anywhere near Sunderland, I'd find out how many volunteers attend every day on average, then round up that many women, plus about 5, to be on the safe side. Then visit, and one at a time, at five minute intervals, ask for a volunteer to accompany us to the toilets. Perfectly reasonable policy, after all, nothing can go wrong with it...

I wouldn't recommend anyone do that without seeing their Safeguarding Policies first!

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